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24-07-2011
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Can we be Good without believing in God?
Can human beings be good without leaning on a god or dogma? Can we be moral without being religious? The answer to these questions is an unequivocal “Yes”. Human beings indeed do not need to believe in a deity or to belong to any religion in order to be good or to do good. The whole idea of the good-of doing good-preceded the idea of a god and religion. In fact the entity called god is alien to the equation of human goodness and morality.
We, humans, do not need to belong to any religion in order to have a sense of moral right or wrong. Moral rectitude is natural, and not predicated on supernatural faith. Morality is a product of social, not spiritual interaction. Unfortunately, the mistaken idea that humans cannot be good without professing a belief in the ‘supreme being’ or without belonging to a religion is one that is dominant in most societies across the world. This mistaken idea is largely responsible for lack of progress in those areas of human life where religions exercise moral authority.
Now how did we, humans, come about this erroneous notion that we cannot be good without believing in god? Human beings have the natural capacity to do good and evil. We are born with these inherent tendencies. They were not thrust on us from above or instilled in us as a result of whatever must have transpired in the mythical garden of Eden. We do not know about good and evil because Adam and Eve disobeyed god by eating the ‘Forbidden Fruit’.
The whole idea of doing good preceded the idea of a god. Before religions started, human beings were doing good. Human beings performed good deeds not to please god or to go to paradise as we are made to understand today. They did good for reasons unconnected with these religious injunctions. So I am deeply persuaded that humans came about the idea of god in their efforts to understand the good, explain what is good, what ought to be done and encourage what is good and doing good. Also humans came about the idea of the devil in their primitive attempts to understand what is evil, explain the problem of evil and why evil deeds exist and are committed and to discourage doing evil or harm to oneself or to others.
Generally human beings are awed and elated, they feel happy and joyous when they are at the receiving end of any act of goodness, kindness and love. And they always want to encourage such acts. Also human beings feel pain. They feel hurt and traumatized when they are at the receiving end of any act of evil, hatred or cruelty. And they always want to discourage all evil deeds. This is because what is good is good not because what is good is directed or revealed by god. And what is evil is evil not because what is evil is sanctioned by the devil.
So, in their primitive attempts to encourage what is good, humans divinized goodness. They created god and made god the epitome of the good, that is, goodness personified. They created heaven – a place for the good – where god – the epitome of goodness – resides waiting to reward all good-doers and punish eternally all evil-doers.
Also in their efforts to understand evil and explain what is evil, and discourage doing evil, humans created the devil, demonized evil and made satan the epitome of evil – evil personified. Humans created hell where they believe the devil presides along with all evil-doers burning eternally. They made heaven to look attractive and hell so scary. They instituted morality driven by fear- the fear of going to Hell. They instituted the idea of doing good for heaven’s sake.
Hence many people do good because they don’t want to burn eternally in Hell, because they want to inherit paradise when they are dead.Not really because they want to do good. Religions created myths and false stories to encourage doing good and to discourage doing evil. They created doctrines and dogmas based on these mythical origins, understanding and explanations of good and evil. Religions compiled these mythical stories into books and called them the word of god – the revealed word of god which everyone is expected to believe without doubt. That’s how religions hijacked morality. That’s how religions sacrificed humanity on the altar of divinity. That’s how the religious idea of god corrupted the human sense of the good.
Religions habitually indoctrinate and brainwash people from childhood with their primitive, parochial and mistaken sense of good and morality. Hence in most societies across the world people erroneously believe that professing a religion is necessary for one to be moral, when in actual fact this is not the case. We don’t need to believe in god to be happy and to make others happy. We don’t need to believe in god to perform any act of kindness. We do not need to be religious to care for our children, parents, family and community members, friends and the aged. People have been caring for each other since before religions started. It is not a deity that tells us to care for the needy, give to the poor or provide assistance to victims of any mishap or disaster. It is not being religious that makes us humanitarian.
Doing good is natural to us humans, not supernaturally induced as many would make us understand. So people can be good without believing in god. Human beings can achieve moral excellence without belonging to any religion. Faith in god is not a moral imperative.
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27-08-2012
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you dont see air yet u breathe it in every day and never question ?
selfish much ?
There is a god hence why they call it a test of life in Islam.
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have yew seen god? has he shaked yur hand?
what can yew see around yew today that god has created?
buildings - man
cars - man
technology - man
computers - man
houses - man
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it is faith!!
however, who has created you/your mother etc?
and earth?
and universe?
infinite?
do you think the answer is 'man'?
however, I have no problems if you do not believe in God....
you can think what you want because your life is yours.....you can believe in science.....in morality and rules to keep the peace around the world...
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29-08-2012
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jeezuzzz !!
his off his hed!
dude wha yew taking??? haha
i dunt knw if systems like that exists for objectiv good..
caveman that lived in caves they used to be scared of lighting..
for most these dudes lighting was gods wrath of revengence
a high being ready to punish them
well obviously cavemen were a bunch of nonces who had no idea of what god is...living in fear of lighting makes them do things morally good
an there is no god!
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your simian brain will not understand lol. you don't know if systems like that exist? wow ofcourse because you worship your TV GOD and the almighty google god where you posted your article from.
can you produce anything from your own anthropoid of a brain? instead of copy and paste skills.
are you waiting for me to whisper esoteric knowledge in your manpanzee ears.
only system you know about is your omnibenevolent government that teaches you to become a slave , why are you rabbling on about cave men? pft
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wtfff 
why yew hating on me yew nonce!
cavemen did not need a god
get the point?
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oh you're talking about evolution now? who said cavemen were moral? they ate other peoples flesh would you do that nowadays? your point is flawed and invalid.
who gave that ''will'' for abiogenesis to occur? and evolution is just about how you get life from life...doesn't explain what came before?so your whole point of cavemen didn't need god still doesn't make sense.
what scientists do is get evidence test it for example fossils...carbon dating.. all that process but then apply links logic to come up with a theory that x y z may have happnd. It's all guess work still..
so your speculation about cavemen is just all theorised. doesn't mean it's the complete truth.
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29-08-2012
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your simian brain will not understand lol. you don't know if systems like that exist? wow ofcourse because you worship your TV GOD and the almighty google god where you posted your article from.
can you produce anything from your own anthropoid of a brain? instead of copy and paste skills.
are you waiting for me to whisper esoteric knowledge in your manpanzee ears.
only system you know about is your omnibenevolent government that teaches you to become a slave , why are you rabbling on about cave men? pft
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wtfff
why yew hating on me yew nonce!
cavemen did not need a god
get the point?
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oh you're talking about evolution now? who said cavemen were moral? they ate other peoples flesh would you do that nowadays? your point is flawed and invalid.
who gave that ''will'' for abiogenesis to occur? and evolution is just about how you get life from life...doesn't explain what came before?so your whole point of cavemen didn't need god still doesn't make sense.
what scientists do is get evidence test it for example fossils...carbon dating.. all that process but then apply links logic to come up with a theory that x y z may have happnd. It's all guess work still..
so your speculation about cavemen is just all theorised. doesn't mean it's the complete truth.
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dude even if cavemen existed why did god create man as a caveman first?
why didnt god make cavemen a bit superior as they are today?
cavemen did exist ...fact!
adam and eve did not exist , cavemen were the first humans
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29-08-2012
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Man Up, Bitch!
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wtfff
why yew hating on me yew nonce!
cavemen did not need a god
get the point?
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oh you're talking about evolution now? who said cavemen were moral? they ate other peoples flesh would you do that nowadays? your point is flawed and invalid.
who gave that ''will'' for abiogenesis to occur? and evolution is just about how you get life from life...doesn't explain what came before?so your whole point of cavemen didn't need god still doesn't make sense.
what scientists do is get evidence test it for example fossils...carbon dating.. all that process but then apply links logic to come up with a theory that x y z may have happnd. It's all guess work still..
so your speculation about cavemen is just all theorised. doesn't mean it's the complete truth.
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dude even if cavemen existed why did god create man as a caveman first?
why didnt god make cavemen a bit superior as they are today?
cavemen did exist ...fact!
adam and eve did not exist , cavemen were the first humans
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Actually in some religions there is no account of at what stage the 1st human was created... christianity talks about stages i don't think islam does in great detail. instead there are many talks on how other creatures roamed the earth way before adam. : - )
lol@ fact like i said it's just assumptions logic.. based on evidence. and..er it's a stock character to some lol.
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30-08-2012
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I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU MUST FOLLOW GOD IN ORDER TO DO ANY TYPE OF GOOD IN THIS WORLD..
SUBJECTIVELY YOU CAN FOLLOW ANY RELIGIOUS PATH, BUT IT DOESN'T DICTATE THAT YOU WILL BECOME A BETTER PERSON UPON DOING SO...
FIREMAN, AMBULANCE PERSONALS ..CHARITY WORKERS...MANY PEOPLE FROM SUCH BACKGROUNDS HAVE NO RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS
YET THEY DO GOOD.. FOR THE WIDER COMMUNITY...THEY DO SUCH THINGS WITHOUT HESITATION...WITH NO EXPECTATION OR REWARD FROM GOD
YET MANY WORSHIPPERS WHO DO FOLLOW GOD..DO SO FOR SOME KIND OF REWARD...
FOR EXAMPLE...IF I HELP SOMEONE TODAY OR IF I SPREAD MY FAITH..
GOD WILL REWARD ME IN HEAVEN...THIS IS GREED...DOING THINGS FOR SOMETHING IN RETURN..
YET MANY WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD...WHAT KIND OF REWARD DO THEY SEEK? FAME? GLORY?
GOD IS NOT THERE TO GIVE US BROWNIE POINTS OR REWARDS LIKE A PUPPY..IF HE DOES IT WOULD BE HIS KINDNESS...
BEING A BETTER HUMAN BEING DOESNT REQUIRE US TO BE RELIGIOUS...
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31-08-2012
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havent read the article but short and simple answer to this question is - YES! 
people do good things from the kindness of their heart
...miss u so much nani...
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01-09-2012
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i can honestly not be good without faith.
its when after praying my heart becomes softer thus i can carry on my charming good ways.
so faith plays a vital role in our life to establish us as better people i believe.
to each their own.
peace.
MrFitUk In Da House.
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04-09-2012
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Soooo true!!!!!
It's hard to get people to overcome the thought that they have to take care of themselves first.
It is a great attribute to strive for and most selfless people are thought of kind people!!
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04-09-2012
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i can honestly not be good without faith.
its when after praying my heart becomes softer thus i can carry on my charming good ways.
so faith plays a vital role in our life to establish us as better people i believe.
to each their own.
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like..without god you feel weak?
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04-09-2012
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oh you're talking about evolution now? who said cavemen were moral? they ate other peoples flesh would you do that nowadays? your point is flawed and invalid.
who gave that ''will'' for abiogenesis to occur? and evolution is just about how you get life from life...doesn't explain what came before?so your whole point of cavemen didn't need god still doesn't make sense.
what scientists do is get evidence test it for example fossils...carbon dating.. all that process but then apply links logic to come up with a theory that x y z may have happnd. It's all guess work still..
so your speculation about cavemen is just all theorised. doesn't mean it's the complete truth.
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dude even if cavemen existed why did god create man as a caveman first?
why didnt god make cavemen a bit superior as they are today?
cavemen did exist ...fact!
adam and eve did not exist , cavemen were the first humans
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Actually in some religions there is no account of at what stage the 1st human was created... christianity talks about stages i don't think islam does in great detail. instead there are many talks on how other creatures roamed the earth way before adam. : - )
lol@ fact like i said it's just assumptions logic.. based on evidence. and..er it's a stock character to some lol.
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bare evidence bout how humans came from reptiles!
what religions hs real proof???
none dunt!
christiiantity tlks about floods...well how did 1000's of dinosaurs get flooded away?
makes no sense dude lol
islam says adam was first man??
bloody hell..if he was first man then how did cave men evolve from primitive manz to society as we hve today ???
who taught adam how to live? he was ready made human? mkes no sense
who taught cavemen to make wheels?
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