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Parents angered as every pupil is given halal school meals


Parents angered as every pupil is given halal school meals

Halal meat is being served to pupils in state schools without their knowledge, even if they believe the religious slaughter is cruel.

Parents have reacted furiously after being sent letters telling them their children's school dinners have been all-halal for 'some time'.

To conform with Jewish and Muslim religious tradition, animals are prepared for halal products by having their throats slit while conscious - a method many people believe is inhumane and which the RSPCA has condemned.

The meat was introduced at four schools in the Reading area with a high proportion of Muslim pupils. But parents of non-Muslim pupils - between 20 and 50 per cent of the schools' roll -say they were not consulted.

Coach driver Andrew Weston, 37, who has a son and daughter at St John's primary school, said: "We received a letter saying only halal meat was being served and had been for some time. I was shocked.

"The way the animals are killed for this meat is barbaric and cruel. Our children should have a choice."

Abdul Dean, ethnic minorities officer for the Christian Peoples Alliance, said: "Christian children should be given an equal chance to have non-halal meat. The school should have explained the situation to parents at the outset."

Last month, a head teacher in Rotherham caused an outcry when she said she intended to replace traditional turkey with halal chicken to create an 'integrated Christmas'. Jan Charters, head of Oakwood School, backed down after complaints by MPs.

A spokesperson for Reading Borough Council said: "The decision was taken several years ago. Schools thought it was the appropriate choice for their multi-cultural community. We are increasing options at the four schools by offering fish each day."

The other schools where only halal meat is served are New Town, Oxford Road and Alfred Sutton primary schools.

Earlier this year, an RSPCA pamphlet stated: "Muslim communities in the UK should review their slaughter practices. Research demonstrates that slaughter of any animal without stunning can cause unnecessary suffering."

By ANDREW BUCKWELL

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Weird. As a person not residing in the UK I find the whole situation weird. Seems you can't do anything right there anymore. Doomed if you take into consideration all religions/ethnicities , doomed if you don't.


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They should have been asked or been told. Sooner or later someone will complain and get very angry
like that man and his son..

you can't expect everyone to sit back and accept it

I check for ingredients all the time ..

I don't eat meat but I still like to know how my food was prepared...


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Weird. As a person not residing in the UK I find the whole situation weird. Seems you can't do anything right there anymore. Doomed if you take into consideration all religions/ethnicities , doomed if you don't.
.....THAT REMINDS ME OF MY EXPERIENCE AT SCHOOL, 1983/4 (not sure exact dates, juniors/primary school)

NOT RELEVANT TO THIS, BUT AN EYE OPENER TO ME


WELL, THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN:


...BACK THEN YOU NEVER HAD VEGETARIAN DISHES COOKED SEPARATELY, EVERYTHING WAS MADE AN SERVED IN ONE AREA, SAME UTENSILS....SAME COOKING POTS, WASHED OR NOT WE DON'T KNOW..


.....I MUST HAVE BEEN 8/9 AT JUNIOR SCHOOLS, I WAS TOLD TO ALWAYS ASK THE INGREDIENTS AND CONTENT BEFORE I GOBBLE ANYTHING DOWN AS A KID..DON'T RELY ON WORD OF MOUTH...
I WAS STANDING IN THE DINNER QUEUE, AND THE DINNER LADY WAS ABOUT TO SERVE ME RAVIOLI..
I HAD NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE..SHE DUMPED IT ON MY PLATE...IT SMELT GOOD...

AND BACK THEN, IF YOU WAS INLINE IN THE QUEUE, THEY JUST DUMPED WHATEVER ONTO YOUR PLATE AND YOU HAD TO EAT IT..THEY HAD 6 TRAYS AND EVERYTHING WAS ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVA BASIS....NO QUESTIONS ASKED...

I ASKED HER: "WHAT'S THAT" AND SHE REPLIED, "ITS RAVIOLI..."...I THEN ASKED, "WHAT'S IT MADE OF?" SHE THEN REPLIED "RAVIOLI. STEW"
I THEN SAID: "YES, BUT WHAT'S IN IT"
SHE THEN SAID ..."BEEF"

.....I THEN REFUSED TO HAVE IT ON ME PLATE, (since religious beliefs..I'm not allowed to eat beef..& from what my mom told me) ...SO I TOLD THE DINNER LADY, THAT
"I DON'T WANT IT, CAUSE AM NOT ALLOWED TO EAT IT." BY NOW SHE HAD TAKEN A SPOONFUL AND DUMPED IT ON MY PLATE.....AND I LEFT MY PLATE THERE, SHE REFUSED TO REMOVE IT..

THE DINNER LADY GOT ANGRY
SHE ACTUALLY GOT ANGRY... AND CALLED THE HEADMASTER, HE WAS STANDING BY THE CANTEEN DOORS... LIKE HE USUALLY DOES ORGANISING THE QUEUES..MAKING SURE THE KIDS DONT SCREAM AND SHOUT AS THEY WAIT IN LINE.... HE THEN CAME OVER AND SAID, "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU" ..VERY LOUD....HE WAS ONE OF THEM STRICT TYPES...

AND HE ORDERED THE DINNER LADY TO SERVE THE RAVIOLI ON TO MY PLATE, AGAIN....AN SAID: "YOU'LL EAT WHAT YOURE GIVEN"

......THE KID IN FRONT OF ME WAS GIVEN IT, HE WALKED OFF WITH NO QUESTIONS ASKED, HE WAS HINDU (same as me) HE LIVED 2 STREETS AWAY FROM ME...KNEW HIS FAMILY..
..BUT EVEN AFTER THE HEADMASTER GRABBED ME BY THE ARM, YES...HE ACTUALLY GRABBED ME BY MY ARM AND DRAGGED ME OUT OF THE QUEUE..

DRAGGING ME TO THE SIDE, SO THE DINNER LINE COULD CONTINUOUSLY FLOW.., YELLING AT ME...
I STOOD THERE SAYING "IM NOT EATING IT, (avoiding eye contact or looking at him).. AND NOW THAT ITS ON MY PLATE, I'M NOT TOUCHING MY PLATE"
.. I JUST STOOD THERE...

AS I WAS STANDING THERE...EVERYONE WAS LOOKING AT ME...LIKE I WAS SOME SORT OF TROUBLE MAKER...ALL I REMEMBER HEARING WERE ECHOES AND VOICES IN THE DISTANCE....WHISPERING...
MY FORM TEACHER CAME RUNNING,...HE'S THE ONE WHO ALWAYS ENCOURAGED OR STOOD BY ME AT SCHOOL...HE WAS A WHITE GUY...

HE CAME RUNNING INTO THE CANTEEN........AND STOPPED THE HEAD FROM HAVING A GO AT ME
HE LITERALLY STEPPED IN, AND STARTED REFUTING AWAY...

....AND SAID, "HE DOESN'T EAT BEEF, HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO"

THE HEADMASTER SHOOK HIS HEAD AND WALKED OFF IN DISGUST AT ME NOT EVEN WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHY I REJECTED THE FOOD...

IT WAS AFTER THAT DAY, THE HEADMASTER ALWAYS GAVE ME A LOOK OF DISGUST WHENEVER I WALKED PAST HIM... AS IF I WAS A TROUBLE MAKER...

...MY FORM TEACHER TOLD ME NOT TO WORRY ABOUT IT... HE TOOK ME BACK TO OUR CLASSROOM, LEFT ME THERE FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES WITHOUT A WORD..

... HE CAME BACK WITH SANDWICHES FROM THE SHOP, WHICH HE HAD BOUGHT FOR ME FROM HIS OWN MONEY...
I KNEW THIS BECAUSE I SAW THE PRICE LABELS FROM THE SHOP WHICH ALL THE KIDS RUN TO AFTER SCHOOL ENDS....ALL GO TO WHEN SCHOOL ENDS. .IT WAS A FEW YARDS FROM AWAY FROM OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL..

I DIDN'T ASK HIM, NOR DID I SAY I WAS HUNGRY...YET HE WENT OUT TO THE SHOP AND CAME BACK WITH SANDWICHES...THIS WAS ALL TAKING PLACE DURING LUNCHTIME. WHICH LASTED ABOUT 1 HOUR...FROM 12pmTILL 1pm..
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HOME TIME: MY FOLKS WERE PROPER STRESSED AT WHAT HAPPEN...

THINGS WERE DIFFERENT BACK THEN...THERE WAS NO ONE TO COMPLAIN TO..YOU JUST DEALT WITH IT AND GOT ON..I COULD HAVE GROWN UP WITH A CHIP ON MY SHOULDER FROM THAT EXPERIENCE AND MANY OTHER ODD THINGS...I REALISED THAT IF THERE'S 10 ASSHOLES IN THIS WORLD...THERE'S ALWAYS ONE WHO WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND STAND IN YOUR CORNER...I LEANT A LOT THAT DAY, A LOT...

BOTH TEACHERS WERE WHITE....ONE JUST LEFT ME STANDING THERE HUNGRY, AND THE OTHER DIDN'T.......EVEN SPEAKING AGAINST THE HEADMASTER BACK THEN, A TEACHER COULD LOSE HIS JOB...
I STOPPED HAVING SCHOOLS DINNERS AFTER THAT DAY...I WOULD WALK HOME 15MINS BACK AND FORTH OR SOMETIMES BOUGHT IN A PACKED LUNCH...
I ACTUALLY STARTED THE TREND OF BRINGING IN PACKED LUNCH AT THE TIME IT WAS A BIG DEAL...ORIGINALLY IT WAS JUST 3 OF US SAT IN THE CORNER ON A FEW CHAIRS EATING AWAY...
THE MUSLIM KIDS STARTED TO BRING IN THEIR PACK LUNCHES...AT THE TIME I NEVER UNDERSTOOD, WHY THEY WENT HOME FOR LUNCH EITHER..HALAL FOOD WAS NEVER SERVED APPARENTLY..IT WAS NON EXISTENT...
SOON THE HEADMASTER SET UP A DESIGNATED AREA FOR THE PACK LUNCH KIDS..YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT IN QUEUE TO ENTER THE DINNER HALL...

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS NOT RACISM BUT LACK OF UNDERSTANDING...WE WERE THE FIRST WAVE OF "BRITISH ASIAN CHILDREN" AT THAT SCHOOL, MOST THE OLDER KIDS SIMPLY WENT ALONG WITH THE NORM...
EVEN LATER ON IN LIFE, I PREFER TAKING SANDWICHES....(for lunch breaks)...BUT I STOPPED STANDING IN QUEUES ASKING THE COOK FOR INGREDIENTS. IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, I WONT HAVE IT..AND IF I HAVE DOUBTS, I JUST STICK TO THE VEG PORTIONS...

....ALL PEOPLE DO NOW IS DEMAND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE HEARD...THEY ROCK THE BOAT AND MAKE EVERYTHING AWKWARD..

IF THIS KEEPS UP, THINGS WILL GET VERY MESSY IN THE FUTURE..

.....OK, THAT'S ME DONE...BACK TO MORE GEEK STUFF


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Dil Dooba Dil Dooba...Neela Akho Mein Yeh Dil Dooba.. Neela Neela Amber Per Chand Jab Aye...Aisa Koi Saathi Ho ..Aisa Koi Premi Hoi Jaanam Dekh Lo Mit Gayeen Dooriyaan..Main Yahaan Hoon Yahaan Hoon..Yahaan Hoon..Yahaan...Kaisi Sarhadein...Kaisi Majbooriyaan..Main Yahaan Hoon Yahaan Hoon..Yahaan Hoon..Yahaan...Tum Chhupaa Na Sakogi Main Vo Raaz Hoon...Tum Bhulaa Na Sakogi Vo Andaaz Hoon...Goonjtaa Hoon Jo Dil Mein To Hairaan Ho Kyon...Main Tumhaare Hi Dil Ki To Aavaaz Hoon...Main Yahaan Hoon Yahaan Hoon..Yahaan Hoon..Yahaan... Aisa muhje tu na dehka na...seeena se laga loonga, tum ko tumse chura loonga...dil mein chupa loonga Gila Gila Dil Gila.. Mila mila mila koi mila ...Teri Ha Adaar Laga sab se judaa hai dil tuje per fida hai... Dhoom Dhoom let ya body do the talking..Dhoom Dhoom be the fire thats buring..Dhoom machaalay dhoom machaalay dhoom Tere Liye Hum Hai Jiye..Hota ke siya...Dil mein Magar chalte reha chaahat ke Diya... Zara zara bahekta hai, mahekta hai,Aaj to mera tan badan, main pyaasi hoon,Mujhe bhar le apni baahon mein Dheera dheera se mera zindagi mein ana...tumsi pyar huma hai kitna jaana jaana Pyar ke isa khel mein..do dil aur mehl mein, tera peecha na chodunga soniya Mera mehboob sanam, tera ashiq hogaya hum...milaka nazaaro se nazaar tera pyaar mein kogaya hum... Wada Raha Pyar Se Pyar Ka, Hum Na Hoga Juda, Dil Ke Dhadkhan Sunrha Hai Mera Khudda Dheera Dheera Se Mera Zindagi Mein Ana...Tumsi Pyar Huma Hai Kitna Jaana JaanaSaamne hain raastein, hum guzar jaaye...Ya kisi ke vaaste hum thaher jaaye...Ab yahan tak aa gaye hain, ab kidhar jaaye...Jaaduuuuuuu teri nazar...Kushboo tera baadan..tu har kar, ya nah kar...Kali nagin ke jaise..Zulfe teri kali kali..Sagar ko moti aur..Suraj ko tu dati hai lali..Kali nagin ke jaise..Zulfe teri kali kaliYeh din yeh mahine saal guzar jaayenge mere yaar..Magar itna rakhna khayaal..Jeena sirf mere liye, jeena sirf mere liye..Kasam se jeena sirf mere liye, jeena sirf mere liye Banno ki saheli resham ki dori..Chhup chhupke sharmaaye dekhe chori chori..Yeh maane ya na maane main to ispe mar gaya..Yeh ladki haai allah, haai haai re allah Tum paas aaye, yun muskuraaye,Tumne na jaane kya sapne dikhaaye,Tum paas aaye, yun muskuraaye,Tumne na jaane kya sapne dikhaaye,Ab to mera dil jaage na sota hai,Kya karoon haaye, kuch kuch hota hai


 
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I don't eat kosher or Halal meat.. I Find it barbaric
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In 2001, a food scandal raged throughout Indonesia. The Indonesian Ulemas Council (MUI; Jakarta, Indonesia) accused a Japanese company of using pork products in the production of the flavour enhancer monosodium glutamate (MSG), and demanded that the Indonesian government take appropriate action. It was a serious accusation: if true, the company would have violated halal rules, which forbid Muslims from eating—among other things—any pork or pork-derived products. As a consequence of the scandal, several employees of the company were arrested and a public apology was issued.

It is most likely that the flavour enhancer did not contain any pork products; instead, the company conceded to having replaced a beef derivative with the pork derivative bactosoytone in the production process, for economic reasons. Bactosoytone was used as a medium to cultivate bacteria that produce the enzymes necessary to make MSG. As the products of the company had previously been certified as halal by the MUI, the scandal seemed to undermine or question the legitimacy of these religious scholars in the eyes of millions of Muslim consumers.

…even multinational companies can come into conflict with the rising number of Muslim consumers and organizations if they overlook or disregard religiously inspired customs

The scandal also made it clear that even multinational companies can come into conflict with the rising number of Muslim consumers and organizations if they overlook or disregard religiously inspired customs. Indeed, the Indonesian scandal triggered similar enquiries at other companies worldwide. Novozymes (Bagsvaerd, Denmark)—a company that specializes in producing enzymes for a wide range of applications, including scientific research and food processing—was one of these. Customers of Novozymes became more aware of the validity of halal certifications, and the company eventually chose to have its products certified by the Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America (IFANCA; Chicago, IL, USA). Around that time, many other food and pharmaceutical companies also decided to have their products certified as halal by various Muslim organizations. These cases illustrate how modern halal rules proliferate at the interface between religion, science and global markets.

This is certainly not the first time that religious thoughts and practices have influenced science either directly or indirectly. The history of science contains many instances in which scientific knowledge challenged long-held beliefs—ranging from the insight by Galileo Galilei (1564–1642) that the Earth revolves around the Sun, to the theory of evolution proposed by Charles Darwin (1809–1882) and current debates about using human embryonic stem cells for biomedical research. However, the requirements of halal do not challenge scientific knowledge per se, but rather influence the production of a wide range of consumer goods—notably food, but increasingly also cosmetics and pharmaceuticals.

Modern forms of halal production, trade and consumption are proliferating on a global scale. A study by the Canadian government estimated the value of the annual global halal trade to be upwards of US$150 billion among the roughly 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide (Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, 2006). Halal is no longer simply a matter of extra religious regulations on food and food processing; it has become a huge and rapidly expanding global market that includes and affects Western biotechnology companies. The food industry is therefore paying increasing attention to various Muslim requirements, for example by avoiding substances that might be contaminated with porcine residues or alcohol such as gelatine, glycerine, emulsifiers, enzymes and flavouring agents (Riaz & Chaudry, 2003).

…many other food and pharmaceutical companies also decided to have their products certified as halal by various Muslim organizations

In Arabic, halal literally means ‘lawful' or ‘permitted'. The Quran and the Sunna—the life and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad—exhort Muslims to eat the good and lawful food that God has provided for them, but also state various prohibitions. Jewish kosher requirements are similar to halal requirements in many respects, but are more complex with regard to cross-contamination. Under the strictest definition of halal, Muslims are implicitly forbidden to eat carrion, spurting blood, pork or any meat from an animal that has not been slaughtered according to traditional guidelines—these forbidden substances are known as haram. Ritual slaughtering requires that the animal is killed in the name of God by making a fatal incision across the throat to drain as much of the blood as possible. Most Muslims also consider carnivorous animals, birds of prey, land animals without external ears and derivates from these animals to be haram; a minority of Muslims does not eat fish without scales such as catfish, shark, swordfish and shellfish.

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Another relevant Islamic prohibition relates to wine and any other alcoholic drink or substance, which are all haram in any quantity or type (Denny, 2006). However, there is a ‘grey area' between halal and haram concerning ‘doubtful' things that should be avoided, which is expressed by the word mashbooh. Whether a certain food commodity is lawful or unlawful therefore often depends on the opinion of religious scholars, or on suspicions of undetermined or prohibited ingredients. In practice, this means that, in order to avoid contamination from haram sources, religious authorities lso consider the context and handling of food when they determine whether a product is halal.


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The 2001 census data showed minority ethnic groups made up 7.9% or 4.6 million of the total UK population, 2% of which lived in Scotland. 59 These groups are concentrated in the four large cities, with almost half being of South Asian origin (from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka) and the next largest community are Chinese people (0.3% of total population). 7 Other groups include; Black Caribbean, Black African or Other Black. 59 In addition the population of people migrating from the European Union countries has been increasing. 58 Other ethnic minority groups may be identified at the local level.

Although there is a more culturally diverse population, it remains predominantly Christian, with other large faith groups encompassing Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and Jews.
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Weird. As a person not residing in the UK I find the whole situation weird. Seems you can't do anything right there anymore. Doomed if you take into consideration all religions/ethnicities , doomed if you don't.
.....THAT REMINDS ME OF MY EXPERIENCE AT SCHOOL, 1983/4 (not sure exact dates, juniors/primary school)

NOT RELEVANT TO THIS, BUT AN EYE OPENER TO ME


WELL, THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN:


...BACK THEN YOU NEVER HAD VEGETARIAN DISHES COOKED SEPARATELY, EVERYTHING WAS MADE AN SERVED IN ONE AREA, SAME UTENSILS....SAME COOKING POTS, WASHED OR NOT WE DON'T KNOW..


.....I MUST HAVE BEEN 8/9 AT JUNIOR SCHOOLS, I WAS TOLD TO ALWAYS ASK THE INGREDIENTS AND CONTENT BEFORE I GOBBLE ANYTHING DOWN AS A KID..DON'T RELY ON WORD OF MOUTH...
I WAS STANDING IN THE DINNER QUEUE, AND THE DINNER LADY WAS ABOUT TO SERVE ME RAVIOLI..
I HAD NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE..SHE DUMPED IT ON MY PLATE...IT SMELT GOOD...

AND BACK THEN, IF YOU WAS INLINE IN THE QUEUE, THEY JUST DUMPED WHATEVER ONTO YOUR PLATE AND YOU HAD TO EAT IT..THEY HAD 6 TRAYS AND EVERYTHING WAS ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVA BASIS....NO QUESTIONS ASKED...

I ASKED HER: "WHAT'S THAT" AND SHE REPLIED, "ITS RAVIOLI..."...I THEN ASKED, "WHAT'S IT MADE OF?" SHE THEN REPLIED "RAVIOLI. STEW"
I THEN SAID: "YES, BUT WHAT'S IN IT"
SHE THEN SAID ..."BEEF"

.....I THEN REFUSED TO HAVE IT ON ME PLATE, (since religious beliefs..I'm not allowed to eat beef..& from what my mom told me) ...SO I TOLD THE DINNER LADY, THAT
"I DON'T WANT IT, CAUSE AM NOT ALLOWED TO EAT IT." BY NOW SHE HAD TAKEN A SPOONFUL AND DUMPED IT ON MY PLATE.....AND I LEFT MY PLATE THERE, SHE REFUSED TO REMOVE IT..

THE DINNER LADY GOT ANGRY
SHE ACTUALLY GOT ANGRY... AND CALLED THE HEADMASTER, HE WAS STANDING BY THE CANTEEN DOORS... LIKE HE USUALLY DOES ORGANISING THE QUEUES..MAKING SURE THE KIDS DONT SCREAM AND SHOUT AS THEY WAIT IN LINE.... HE THEN CAME OVER AND SAID, "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU" ..VERY LOUD....HE WAS ONE OF THEM STRICT TYPES...

AND HE ORDERED THE DINNER LADY TO SERVE THE RAVIOLI ON TO MY PLATE, AGAIN....AN SAID: "YOU'LL EAT WHAT YOURE GIVEN"

......THE KID IN FRONT OF ME WAS GIVEN IT, HE WALKED OFF WITH NO QUESTIONS ASKED, HE WAS HINDU (same as me) HE LIVED 2 STREETS AWAY FROM ME...KNEW HIS FAMILY..
..BUT EVEN AFTER THE HEADMASTER GRABBED ME BY THE ARM, YES...HE ACTUALLY GRABBED ME BY MY ARM AND DRAGGED ME OUT OF THE QUEUE..

DRAGGING ME TO THE SIDE, SO THE DINNER LINE COULD CONTINUOUSLY FLOW.., YELLING AT ME...
I STOOD THERE SAYING "IM NOT EATING IT, (avoiding eye contact or looking at him).. AND NOW THAT ITS ON MY PLATE, I'M NOT TOUCHING MY PLATE"
.. I JUST STOOD THERE...

AS I WAS STANDING THERE...EVERYONE WAS LOOKING AT ME...LIKE I WAS SOME SORT OF TROUBLE MAKER...ALL I REMEMBER HEARING WERE ECHOES AND VOICES IN THE DISTANCE....WHISPERING...
MY FORM TEACHER CAME RUNNING,...HE'S THE ONE WHO ALWAYS ENCOURAGED OR STOOD BY ME AT SCHOOL...HE WAS A WHITE GUY...

HE CAME RUNNING INTO THE CANTEEN........AND STOPPED THE HEAD FROM HAVING A GO AT ME
HE LITERALLY STEPPED IN, AND STARTED REFUTING AWAY...

....AND SAID, "HE DOESN'T EAT BEEF, HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO"

THE HEADMASTER SHOOK HIS HEAD AND WALKED OFF IN DISGUST AT ME NOT EVEN WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHY I REJECTED THE FOOD...

IT WAS AFTER THAT DAY, THE HEADMASTER ALWAYS GAVE ME A LOOK OF DISGUST WHENEVER I WALKED PAST HIM... AS IF I WAS A TROUBLE MAKER...

...MY FORM TEACHER TOLD ME NOT TO WORRY ABOUT IT... HE TOOK ME BACK TO OUR CLASSROOM, LEFT ME THERE FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES WITHOUT A WORD..

... HE CAME BACK WITH SANDWICHES FROM THE SHOP, WHICH HE HAD BOUGHT FOR ME FROM HIS OWN MONEY...
I KNEW THIS BECAUSE I SAW THE PRICE LABELS FROM THE SHOP WHICH ALL THE KIDS RUN TO AFTER SCHOOL ENDS....ALL GO TO WHEN SCHOOL ENDS. .IT WAS A FEW YARDS FROM AWAY FROM OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL..

I DIDN'T ASK HIM, NOR DID I SAY I WAS HUNGRY...YET HE WENT OUT TO THE SHOP AND CAME BACK WITH SANDWICHES...THIS WAS ALL TAKING PLACE DURING LUNCHTIME. WHICH LASTED ABOUT 1 HOUR...FROM 12pmTILL 1pm..
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HOME TIME: MY FOLKS WERE PROPER STRESSED AT WHAT HAPPEN...

THINGS WERE DIFFERENT BACK THEN...THERE WAS NO ONE TO COMPLAIN TO..YOU JUST DEALT WITH IT AND GOT ON..I COULD HAVE GROWN UP WITH A CHIP ON MY SHOULDER FROM THAT EXPERIENCE AND MANY OTHER ODD THINGS...I REALISED THAT IF THERE'S 10 ASSHOLES IN THIS WORLD...THERE'S ALWAYS ONE WHO WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND STAND IN YOUR CORNER...I LEANT A LOT THAT DAY, A LOT...

BOTH TEACHERS WERE WHITE....ONE JUST LEFT ME STANDING THERE HUNGRY, AND THE OTHER DIDN'T.......EVEN SPEAKING AGAINST THE HEADMASTER BACK THEN, A TEACHER COULD LOSE HIS JOB...
I STOPPED HAVING SCHOOLS DINNERS AFTER THAT DAY...I WOULD WALK HOME 15MINS BACK AND FORTH OR SOMETIMES BOUGHT IN A PACKED LUNCH...
I ACTUALLY STARTED THE TREND OF BRINGING IN PACKED LUNCH AT THE TIME IT WAS A BIG DEAL...ORIGINALLY IT WAS JUST 3 OF US SAT IN THE CORNER ON A FEW CHAIRS EATING AWAY...
THE MUSLIM KIDS STARTED TO BRING IN THEIR PACK LUNCHES...AT THE TIME I NEVER UNDERSTOOD, WHY THEY WENT HOME FOR LUNCH EITHER..HALAL FOOD WAS NEVER SERVED APPARENTLY..IT WAS NON EXISTENT...
SOON THE HEADMASTER SET UP A DESIGNATED AREA FOR THE PACK LUNCH KIDS..YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT IN QUEUE TO ENTER THE DINNER HALL...

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS NOT RACISM BUT LACK OF UNDERSTANDING...WE WERE THE FIRST WAVE OF "BRITISH ASIAN CHILDREN" AT THAT SCHOOL, MOST THE OLDER KIDS SIMPLY WENT ALONG WITH THE NORM...
EVEN LATER ON IN LIFE, I PREFER TAKING SANDWICHES....(for lunch breaks)...BUT I STOPPED STANDING IN QUEUES ASKING THE COOK FOR INGREDIENTS. IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, I WONT HAVE IT..AND IF I HAVE DOUBTS, I JUST STICK TO THE VEG PORTIONS...

....ALL PEOPLE DO NOW IS DEMAND THEIR RIGHTS TO BE HEARD...THEY ROCK THE BOAT AND MAKE EVERYTHING AWKWARD..

IF THIS KEEPS UP, THINGS WILL GET VERY MESSY IN THE FUTURE..

.....OK, THAT'S ME DONE...BACK TO MORE GEEK STUFF



something like that happen to my sister..she changed school from private to public school after she rejected eating beefy type foods..
they didnt listen to her, she avoded school dinners for a few weeks.. in the end she left that school..they didnt even allow to bring in pack lunch..
we dont eat halal, i think my cousins do, but we don't




 
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I don't understand. Why is it allowed?

is it part of their faith?
IT'S WRITTEN IN THE QURAN...MUSLIMS ARE INSTRUCTED TO EAT HALAL ONLY...

IF A MUSLIM BELIEVES IN "ALLAH" (God) THEN THEY MUST FOLLOW THE RULES WRITTEN IN THE QURAN..

REJECTION OF THE VERSE MAKES MUSLIMS DISBELIEVERS...APOSTATES...

FEW VERSES...



"So eat of that [meat] upon which the name of Allah has been mentioned, if you are believers in His verses.

https://quran.com/6/118


"And why should you not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has been mentioned while He has explained in detail to you what He has forbidden you, excepting that to which you are compelled. And indeed do many lead [others] astray through their [own] inclinations without knowledge. Indeed, your Lord - He is most knowing of the transgressors."
https://quran.com/6/119


"And leave what is apparent of sin and what is concealed thereof. Indeed, those who earn [blame for] sin will be recompensed for that which they used to commit."
https://quran.com/6/120


"And do not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has not been mentioned, for indeed, it is grave disobedience. And indeed do the devils inspire their allies [among men] to dispute with you. And if you were to obey them, indeed, you would be associators [of others with Him]."
https://quran.com/6/121


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