Hinduism & Islam: Kafirs & Believers

[KALKI]

YOU'VE PROB HEARD OF THIS GUY CALLED ZAKIR NAIK....WHO CONSTANTLY MISQUOTES HINDUISM?

WELL ANYWAY, BELOW ARE SOME SIMPLE FACTS WHICH DISPLAY THE MAIN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ISLAM & HINDUISM.

DESPITE CERTAIN SIMILARITIES ...THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENCES...SIMPLY BELIEVING IN GOD IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH !

CONSIDER THIS A DUMMIES GUIDE!

SO IF YOU SEE SOME FAMOUS MUSLIM BOLLYWOOD ACTOR WORSHIPING BOTH THE ISLAMIC OR HINDU WAY, THIS IS NOT ALLOWED BY MAINSTREAM ISLAM.

ISLAM FORBIDS IDOL WORSHIP (of any kind!) SO IF YOU'RE A HINDU.....
BOWING BEFORE "GANESH MURTHI" OR "SHIV JI NATRAJ MURTHI" IS STRICTLY NOT ALLOWED FROM AN ISLAMIC PERSPECTIVE.

ALSO, ASSOCIATING HUMANS OR OTHER BEINGS EQUAL WITH ALLAH (GOD) IS NOT ALLOWED.

IN HINDUISM YOU HAVE "SHIV JI" AND "MATA PARVATI" ....IN ISLAM THIS WOULD NOT ACCEPTABLE!

WHICH SIMPLY MEANS GOD DOES NOT HAVE A WIFE.. ..."ALLAH" DOES NOT HAVE A SON OR A WIFE.

THIS CONCEPT IS ALIEN TO MANY HINDUS.

CONSIDERING GANESH AS GOD, IS NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM....LORD RAM IN HUMAN FORM = CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS GOD IN ISLAM.

DO YOU GET THE IDEA? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?



KEEPING THINGS SIMPLE...WE WILL EXAMINE A FEW QURANIC VERSES..MARKED RED BITS ARE SELF EXPLANATORY

'[Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and do not be of those who associate others with Allah.'
http://quran.com/33/31


"There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death. [He is] your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers."
https://quran.com/44/8


"That is Allah , your Lord; there is no deity except Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is Disposer of all things."
http://quran.com/6/102

"Follow, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you from your Lord - there is no deity except Him - and turn away from those who associate others with Allah ."
http://quran.com/6/106




THE FOLLOWING KORANIC VERSE BELOW MAKES IT CLEAR...POLYTHEISTS (Hindus) WILL BURN IN HELL:

Polytheism (from Greek πολυθεϊσμός, polytheismos) is the worship of or belief in multiple deities, which are usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own religions and rituals. ... Within theism, it contrasts with monotheism, the belief in a singular God, in most cases transcendent.

Polytheist definition, the doctrine of or belief in more than one god or in many gods

"Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will
be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."
https://quran.com/98/6


THE BHAGAVAD GITA MENTIONS: Form / Formless / Oneness / Multiple GODs:
(I have compiled a easy to follow verse list here)

“The Blessed Lord said: My dear Arjuna, O son of Prtha, behold now My opulence’s, hundreds of thousands of varied divine forms, multicoloured like the sea.”
Chapter 11 Verse 5
https://asitis.com/11/5.html


“Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.”
Chapter 9 Verse 11
https://asitis.com/9/11.html

“He who knows Me as the unborn,as the beginning less, as the Supreme Lord of all the worlds-he, undeluded among men, is freed from all sins.”
Chapter 10 Verse 3
https://asitis.com/10/3.html

YOU WILL OFTEN HEAR MUSLIMS QUOTE THIS VERSE:

"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion."

ALL RELIGIONS ARE TREATED EQUAL?

...WHICH IS FALSE.... THE VERSE IS CONSTANTLY TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT



COMPLETE VERSE:
"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.
The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves
in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold
with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
http://quran.com/2/256

Taghut = Quranic term for false god or idol.

THE FOLLOWING VERSE (BELOW) MAKES IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT ALL OTHER RELIGIONS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED IN ISLAM.


"And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."
https://quran.com/3:85


REGARDING: "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. "

VERSE 3:85 CONTRIDICTS VERSE 2:256

IF YOU ARE CONSIDERED A "LOSER" HOW CAN YOU BE ACCEPTED OR TREATED EQUAL?

IF YOU EVER HEAR SOME GUY ON THE NEWS OR ANYWHERE, TELLING YOU THAT AS A HINDU, YOU ARE EQUAL IN ISLAM...THINK AGAIN!

THE KORAN HOWEVER DOES STATE THAT...A MUSLIM CANNOT TAUNT/BADGER/NITPICK YOUR BELIEFS WHETHER YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE "WRONG PATH OR NOT", (Each to their own concept)

WHEN SOME FOOL LIKE ZAKIR NAIK WAFFLES RUBBISH TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF THIS OR THAT...HE IS NOT ADHERING TO THE FOLLOWING KORANIC VERSE BELOW:


"But if Allah had willed, they would not have associated. And We have not appointed you over them as a guardian, nor are you a manager over them."
http://quran.com/6/107

THE QURAN EVEN STATES THAT MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT ABUSE / INSULT KAFIRS FOR FOLLOWING THEIR OWN "GOD" ;

"And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do."
https://quran.com/6/108

GIVING DAWAH (Invitation to Islam) IS PERFECTLY FINE IN ISLAM...ATTEMPTING TO STEER YOU AWAY FROM YOUR BELIEFS BY CONSTANTLY QUESTIONING YOU IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

BY REJECTING ANY QURANIC VERSE, A MUSLIM IS ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD / ALLAH AND DECLARED AN APOSTATE ..AS A MUSLIM, YOU MUST ACCEPT THE ENTIRE KORAN AS THE TRUTH... BY REJECTING EVEN A SINGLE VERSE, WOULD TAKE THEM (A MUSLIM) OUT OF THE FOLD OF ISLAM:

"Do they not know that whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - that for him is the fire of Hell, wherein he will abide eternally? That is the great disgrace."
https://quran.com/9/63

MUSLIMS MUST ACCEPT THE KORAN AS IT IS...NO SHORTCUTS:

"And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price,
and fear [only] Me."
http://quran.com/2/41


HINDUISM ALLOWS FREE WILL, FREE CHOICE & APOSTASY...IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH A VERSE HERE OR THERE OR YOU DISAGREE WITH WHATEVER...YOU CAN REJECT / ACCEPT ETC THE BOOK...

BHAGAVAD GITA VERSES:

“My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the regulated principles of bhakti-yoga In this way you will develop a desire to attain to Me.”
Chapter 12 Verse 9
https://asitis.com/12/9.html

“If, however, you are unable to work in this consciousness, then try to act giving up all results of your work and try to be self-situated.”
Chapter 12 Verse 11
https://asitis.com/12/11.html

FREE WILL / APOSTASY IN HINDUISM:

“Thus I have explained to you knowledge still more confidential. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do.”
Chapter 18 Verse 63
https://asitis.com/18/63.html


SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.

[Rani]

Originally Posted by KALKI

'[Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and do not be of those who associate others with Allah.'
http://quran.com/33/31


"There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death. [He is] your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers."
https://quran.com/44/8


"That is Allah , your Lord; there is no deity except Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is Disposer of all things."
http://quran.com/6/102

"Follow, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you from your Lord - there is no deity except Him - and turn away from those who associate others with Allah ."
http://quran.com/6/106



"Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."

https://quran.com/98/6

So basicallyy Ganesh Chaturthi & Hanuman Chalisa is not allowed for Muslims?
I'm assuming Muslims cannot celebrate Diwali?

[KALKI]

Originally Posted by Rani

So basicallyy Ganesh Chaturthi & Hanuman Chalisa is not allowed for Muslims?
I'm assuming Muslims cannot celebrate Diwali?

YES, DILWAI IS THE CELEBRATION OF LORD RAMA...FOLLOWING VERSE BELOW, EXPLAINS WHY ITS NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM:

'[Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and do not be of those who associate others with Allah.'
http://quran.com/33/31

AND...IN ISLAM, LORD RAMA CANNOT BE EQUAL TO ALLAH...

SO EVEN THOUGH PPL LIKE GANDHI SING SONGS LIKE:

"ALLAH ESHWAAR TERO NAAM"

- ACCORDING TO ISLAM, IT IS NOT ALLOWED!

[Rani]

Oh dear lol

bollywood makes it look so diverse lol

[jay999]

Originally Posted by Rani

Oh dear lol

bollywood makes it look so diverse lol

A good example is:


Abdul Rashid Salim Salman Khan is an Indian actor, producer, occasional singer and ..... Khan identifies as both Hindu and Muslim, commenting that, “I'm Hindu and Muslim both. I'm Bharatiya"


You can't be both in Islam.


If you idol worship you are not a Muslim.


In India Hindus-Muslims celebrate festivals together..Majority Indian Muslims are decendents of Hindus (Islamic invasion of India)

[BulletProofYogi]

Originally Posted by Rani

So basicallyy Ganesh Chaturthi & Hanuman Chalisa is not allowed for Muslims?
I'm assuming Muslims cannot celebrate Diwali?

Originally Posted by KALKI

'[Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and do not be of those who associate others with Allah.'
http://quran.com/33/31

AND...IN ISLAM, LORD RAMA CANNOT BE EQUAL TO ALLAH...

SO EVEN THOUGH PPL LIKE GANDHI SING SONGS LIKE:

"ALLAH ESHWAAR TERO NAAM"

- ACCORDING TO ISLAM, IT IS NOT ALLOWED!

I was thinking the same...Mahatma Gandhi's favourite bhajan:

Ishwar allah tere naam, sab ko sanmati de bhagwaan,


'[Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and do not be of those who associate others with Allah.'
http://quran.com/33/31



Ishwar allah tere naam, sab ko sanmati de bhagwaan,
Sab ko sanmati de bhagwaan, sara jag teri santaan,
Sab ko sanmati de bhagwaan, sara jag teri santaan,
Sara jag teri santaan.

Is dharati par basane wale, sab hai teri god ke paale,
Is dharati par basane wale, sab hai teri god ke paale,
Sab hai teri god ke paale, koi neech na koi mahaan,
Sab ko sanmati de bhagwaan, sab ko sanmati de bhagwaan,
Sara jag teri santaan.sara jag teri santaan.

[KALKI]

Originally Posted by jay999

A good example is:


Abdul Rashid Salim Salman Khan is an Indian actor, producer, occasional singer and ..... Khan identifies as both Hindu and Muslim, commenting that, “I'm Hindu and Muslim both. I'm Bharatiya"


You can't be both in Islam.


If you idol worship you are not a Muslim.


In India Hindus-Muslims celebrate festivals together..Majority Indian Muslims are decendents of Hindus (Islamic invasion of India)

ACCORDING TO MAIN STREAM ISLAM...SALMAN KHAN / SHAH RUKH KHAN ARE NOT A MUSLIM...DIVERSITY HAS IT'S LIMITS IN ISLAM..

THERE ARE MANY VERSES WHICH STATE THAT....THE KORAN IS A STRICT RULE BOOK...IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE KORAN COVER TO COVER, NONE OF THIS MATTERS..

NON-MUSLIMS ARE REGARDED AS NON-BELIEVERS (by Allah/God)

ACORDING TO ISLAM, THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH

YOU COULD BE A CHRISTIAN, SIKH , JEW, BUDDHIST OR A HINDU...BUT IF YOU DONT FOLLOW ISLAM..THEN YOU DO NOT FOLLOW GOD!

YOU HAVE SOME NON- MUSLIM FOOLS....WHO SAY "WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD (just like Islam) BUT THEY FAIL TO REALISE, AS NON MUSLIMS THEY TOO WILL BURN IN HELL.

...AND NON-MUSLIMS WILL BURN IN HELL FOR REJECTING ISLAM.

OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE NOT A MUSLIM, THEN NONE OF THIS HAS ANY IMPORTANCE TO YOU.


SOME VERSES:

"Is food for the sinful.
Like murky oil, it boils within bellies
Like the boiling of scalding water.
[It will be commanded], Seize him and drag him into the midst of the Hellfire,
Then pour over his head from the torment of scalding water.
[It will be said], "Taste! Indeed, you are the honored, the noble!
Indeed, this is what you used to dispute."
Indeed, the righteous will be in a secure place;
Within gardens and springs,
Wearing [garments of] fine silk and brocade, facing each other."
https://quran.com/44/44-54


"And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full
their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained
and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment,
and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper."
https://quran.com/4:173


"Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after your belief. If We pardon one faction of you - We will punish another faction because they were criminals."
https://quran.com/9/66


"Allah has promised the hypocrite men and hypocrite women and the disbelievers the fire of Hell,
wherein they will abide eternally. It is sufficient for them. And Allah has cursed them,
and for them is an enduring punishment."
https://quran.com/9/68


'[Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him
and establish prayer and do not be of those who associate others with Allah.'
[Or] of those who have divided their religion and become sects, every faction rejoicing in what it has.
http://quran.com/33/31.32


"[It was] so that Allah may punish the hypocrite men and hypocrite women
and the men and women who associate others with Him and that Allah may
accept repentance from the believing men and believing women.
And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."
http://quran.com/33/73


"Indeed, those who disbelieve and commit wrong [or injustice] - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a path.
Except the path of Hell; they will abide therein forever. And that, for Allah , is [always] easy."
http://quran.com/4/168-69


"And it has already come down to you in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah [recited],
they are denied [by them] and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter
into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them.
Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together -"
http://quran.com/4/140


"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah
and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others,"
and wish to adopt a way in between -
Those are the disbelievers, truly.
And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment."
http://quran.com/4/151-2


"These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water
By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins.
And for [striking] them are maces of iron.
Every time they want to get out of Hellfire from anguish, they will be returned to it, and [it will be said], "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire!"
Indeed, Allah will admit those who believe and do righteous deeds to gardens beneath which rivers flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and pearl, and their garments therein will be silk.
https://quran.com/22/19-23


"Indeed, those who have disbelieved and avert [people] from the way of Allah and [from] al-Masjid al-Haram, which We made for the people - equal are the resident therein and one from outside; and [also] whoever intends [a deed] therein of deviation [in religion] or wrongdoing - We will make him taste of a painful punishment."
https://quran.com/22/25?



When the shackles are around their necks and the chains; they will be dragged
In boiling water; then in the Fire they will be filled [with flame].
Then it will be said to them, "Where is that which you used to associate [with Him in worship]
Other than Allah ?" They will say, "They have departed from us; rather, we did not used to invoke previously anything." Thus does Allah put astray the disbelievers.
[The angels will say], "That was because you used to exult upon the earth without right and you used to behave insolently.
Enter the gates of Hell to abide eternally therein, and wretched is the residence of the arrogant."
So be patient, [O Muhammad]; indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And whether We show you some of what We have promised them or We take you in death, it is to Us they will be returned.
https://quran.com/40/71-81

"But if he was of the deniers [who were] astray,
Then [for him is] accommodation of scalding water
And burning in Hellfire
Indeed, this is the true certainty,"
https://quran.com/56/92-95


"Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe -"
https://quran.com/8/55

"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise."
https://quran.com/4/56

[---RuFfEdGe---]

I had no idea .....

Originally Posted by KALKI

ACCORDING TO MAIN STREAM ISLAM...SALMAN KHAN / SHAH RUKH KHAN ARE NOT A MUSLIM...DIVERSITY HAS IT'S LIMITS IN ISLAM..

THERE ARE MANY VERSES WHICH STATE THAT....THE KORAN IS A STRICT RULE BOOK...IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE KORAN COVER TO COVER, NONE OF THIS MATTERS..

NON-MUSLIMS ARE REGARDED AS NON-BELIEVERS (in Allah/God)

ACORDING TO ISLAM, THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH

YOU COULD BE A CHRISTIAN, SIKH , JEW, BUDDHIST OR A HINDU...BUT IF YOU DONT FOLLOW ISLAM..THEN YOU DO NOT FOLLOW GOD!

...AND NON-MUSLIMS WILL BURN IN HELL FOR REJECTING ISLAM.


SOME VERSES:

"Is food for the sinful.
Like murky oil, it boils within bellies
Like the boiling of scalding water.
[It will be commanded], Seize him and drag him into the midst of the Hellfire,
Then pour over his head from the torment of scalding water.
[It will be said], "Taste! Indeed, you are the honored, the noble!
Indeed, this is what you used to dispute."
Indeed, the righteous will be in a secure place;
Within gardens and springs,
Wearing [garments of] fine silk and brocade, facing each other."
https://quran.com/44/44-54


"And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full
their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained
and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment,
and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper."
https://quran.com/4:173


"Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after your belief. If We pardon one faction of you - We will punish another faction because they were criminals."
https://quran.com/9/66


"Allah has promised the hypocrite men and hypocrite women and the disbelievers the fire of Hell,
wherein they will abide eternally. It is sufficient for them. And Allah has cursed them,
and for them is an enduring punishment."
https://quran.com/9/68


'[Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him
and establish prayer and do not be of those who associate others with Allah.'
[Or] of those who have divided their religion and become sects, every faction rejoicing in what it has.
http://quran.com/33/31.32


"[It was] so that Allah may punish the hypocrite men and hypocrite women
and the men and women who associate others with Him and that Allah may
accept repentance from the believing men and believing women.
And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."
http://quran.com/33/73


"Indeed, those who disbelieve and commit wrong [or injustice] - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a path.
Except the path of Hell; they will abide therein forever. And that, for Allah , is [always] easy."
http://quran.com/4/168-69


"And it has already come down to you in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah [recited],
they are denied [by them] and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter
into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them.
Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together -"
http://quran.com/4/140


"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah
and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others,"
and wish to adopt a way in between -
Those are the disbelievers, truly.
And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment."
http://quran.com/4/151-2


"These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water
By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins.
And for [striking] them are maces of iron.
Every time they want to get out of Hellfire from anguish, they will be returned to it, and [it will be said], "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire!"
Indeed, Allah will admit those who believe and do righteous deeds to gardens beneath which rivers flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and pearl, and their garments therein will be silk.
https://quran.com/22/19-23


"Indeed, those who have disbelieved and avert [people] from the way of Allah and [from] al-Masjid al-Haram, which We made for the people - equal are the resident therein and one from outside; and [also] whoever intends [a deed] therein of deviation [in religion] or wrongdoing - We will make him taste of a painful punishment."
https://quran.com/22/25?



When the shackles are around their necks and the chains; they will be dragged
In boiling water; then in the Fire they will be filled [with flame].
Then it will be said to them, "Where is that which you used to associate [with Him in worship]
Other than Allah ?" They will say, "They have departed from us; rather, we did not used to invoke previously anything." Thus does Allah put astray the disbelievers.
[The angels will say], "That was because you used to exult upon the earth without right and you used to behave insolently.
Enter the gates of Hell to abide eternally therein, and wretched is the residence of the arrogant."
So be patient, [O Muhammad]; indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And whether We show you some of what We have promised them or We take you in death, it is to Us they will be returned.
https://quran.com/40/71-81

"But if he was of the deniers [who were] astray,
Then [for him is] accommodation of scalding water
And burning in Hellfire
Indeed, this is the true certainty,"
https://quran.com/56/92-95


"Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe -"
https://quran.com/8/55

"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise."
https://quran.com/4/56

[Amrita]

All Paths lead to God:

“All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Prtha.”


Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4 Verse 11

[Rahul5362]

Good post.