Is gelatine haraam?

[w ά ŧ έ υ έ я]

Bismillahi wa salaatu wa salaamu 'alaa rasulillah,

(Taken entirely from a dars given by Sh. Muhammad Bazmool, translated by Moosa Richardson and a fatwa given by Sh. al-Albaani)

Istihala is when something becomes pure. It was najis (impure) but it is now taahir (pure). A good example would be maitah (animal carcass): it is najis, but should it be burned and become ashes, or decompose and become earth, then it is taahir, it is no longer najis. This can happen with dung or feces or whatever. Whenever something changes from one property to another, then the ruling likewise changes.

Example: Let us say that someone uses the fat of a dead animal to make soap. That fat is najis, but the chemical change that it was put through makes it taahir.

Ibn Hazm put it concisely when he said,

"Ruling upon an object is upon what it is named (what it is), if the name (what it is) changes then so does the ruling."

He also mentioned in his book of fiqh, Al-Muhalla: "If the quality of the substance of naturally impure objects changes the name which was given to it so that it is no more applicable to it and it is given a new name which is given to a pure object, so it is no more an impure thing. It becomes a new object, with a new rule."

Meaning that if the natural composition of a substance changes to another substance of a different composition, so much so that you can no longer call the new substance by the name of what it was-- ruling upon that substance changes too.

Proof/Example 1:

The companions (radyallahu anhum) used to eat a cheese that came from the land of the disbelievers. In that cheese was a part of the calf which was slaughtered by the disbelievers in a way that is not in accordance with Islaam. The companions knew this, but they also knew that the prohibition was upon the calf, what is directly from the calf, and what could be properly called part of the calf; the ruling is not upon that which you cannot identify as part of the calf nor is it called any longer such-and-such part of the calf. This is called istihala.

Proof/Example 2:

Another proof from the Sunnah: The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) forbade making vinegar out of wine, but he said that if you should come across vinegar that has been made from wine then it is halaal.

Why?

The ruling is upon what the object is, and not what it was. Wine is haraam; vinegar is not, and before the wine became an intoxicant, it was halaal. Why? Because it was fruit before that.

Proof/Example 3:

Allah says in the Qur'an:

"And surely there is a lesson for you in the cattle we give you to drink of what is in their bellies from between the feces and blood, pure milk, wholesome to those who drink it." (16:66)

Allah is putting forth an example for us of how something pure can come from something impure.

And we can also use as proof something that we've already gone over. The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said that when the hide of maitah (the carrion) is tanned, then it is taahir. He (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) gave us a method to purify something which was first impure.

Let us examine things we are familiar with: mono and diglycerides, whey, gluten, emulsifiers, gelatin, and whatever else is on the international haraam list. These by-products sometimes come from animals, pigs even, in which case the ruling on the initial substances is that they are haraam. But the initial substances (e.g. fat, marrow, cartilage, etc.) are put through chemical change so that you no longer can even call it "pig fat" or "animal bone" or "skin" or "cartilage", etc. because it is no longer that, hence it is taahir, it is halaal.

What is gelatin? As Oxford dictionary of science defines: "A colorless or pale yellow, water-soluble protein obtained by boiling collagen with water and evaporating the solution. It melts when water is added and dissolves in hot water to form a solution that sets to a gel on cooling." (page 290)

Is this a chemical change or is this not a chemical change? Is it protein any longer? No, it is not.

You are in disbelief so you ask, "But how can it be halaal when it came from something haraam?"

Because of the proofs mentioned above, the ruling is not based upon what it was, the ruling is based upon what it is. A Hanafi scholar, Ibn Abedin gave the example: "the swine which drowns in a salt lake and decomposes and becomes salt itself, is now halaal."

And other Hanafi scholars go on to say: "salt is different from meat and bones. If they become salt, they are salt."

To take the salt example further: salt consists of sodium chloride (NaCl) when together they are the halaal food known as salt, when separated they make up two poisonous substances which are then haraam for consumption.

The ahnaaf (Hanafis) also use as an example the human semen, saying that it is najis, then when it inseminates the egg and becomes a blood clot it is still najis, but when it becomes flesh it is no longer najis. And the ahnaaf are not the only ones who take this position.

The examples are numerous and they extend beyond food: Yesterday a man was kaafir and going towards Hell, today he is Muslim, so what is the ruling upon him? It is based upon what he is today.

We must be careful when we call things haraam because it is a form of thulm (oppression). Scholars have said that it is worse that you make something halaal to haraam rather than making something haraam to halaal. This deen Allah has made yusr (easy) let us not make it 'usr (hard). Wallahu 'Alim.

Rasheed Abdullaah

WAT DO U MAKE OV THAT?


go down the shops n buy sum haribo n drumsticks i say! lol

[Clueless]

whr did u get d article 4rm?

[w ά ŧ έ υ έ я]

salafitalk.net..

apparently the sheikhs in mekkah have confirmed it...

[Clueless]

am not sure wht i fink of dat2tel d truth but i would rahter b safe dan sori so i wouldn't eat it until i was definate

but i so miss my haribo's

[BabyLeo]

drumsticks hurt your teeth halal or not they not worth it

[w ά ŧ έ υ έ я]

but clueless

its actually a sin to say sumthin is haraam when u dont know for sure that it is...


if u read the article properly...there are plenty of examples to show that it is halaal..

and to be honest once u think abt it...its actually common sense..

the cartlilage or wahever it is they use to make gelatin is haraam...but they put it thru so many processes to make it into gelatin...that its not even cartilage anymore...and they have to giv it another name i.e. gelatine...

which means it doesnt even have the properties ov the cartilage or bone marrow of the animal...

if u do chemistry u'll kno wat i mean...

wen a protein's bonds are broken...its damaged and its no longer the same thing...

and im sure the bonds do get broken by the processes they use such as high temperatures etc etc..

[BabyLeo]

oh also in asda they used to do halal haribos dont know if they do them anymore

[w ά ŧ έ υ έ я]

yeh...but they were mingin..lol...

[KALKI]

......SOUNDS LIKE SCIENTIFIC MUMBO JUMBO....LOOP HOLES TO JUSTIFY THIS OR THAT..

ITS LIKE SAYING, CHICKEN, BACON, BEEF CRISPS ARE JUST FLAVORINGS ETC...WHICH THEY ARE TECHNICALLY..

THE POINT OF FLAVORING IS TO GIVE U A TASTE OF THE ACTUAL PRODUCT,

...WHICH MEANS, YOUR TASTE BUDS ARE CRAVING FOR SUCH THINGS..

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE RAW MATERIALS TO CREATE GELETAINE COME FROM WHATEVER IS FORBIDDEN...

WHETHER IT BECOMES A NEW PRODUCT OR LOSES ITS OLD STRUCTURE, IS IRRELVANT...

A WOODEN CHAIR IS MADE FROM WOOD.....WOOD COMES FROM TREE'S....IF TOMMOROW SOMEONE IS GOING TO TELL ME THAT A WOODEN CHAIR IS MADE FROM PLASTIC...WELL,

TODAY THERE ARE VARIOUS TYPES OF WOODS / PAPER...STRUCTURE HAS CHANGED, YET WITHOUT WOOD IT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE...

THE MAIN QUESTION IS, ARE YOU WILLING TO CONSUME OR USE THE NEW PRODUCT, IN ITS CURRENT FORM...

HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD ACTUALLY SIT AND MUNCH DOWN A PACKET OF BACON OR BEEF FLAVORED CRISPS ??

[w ά ŧ έ υ έ я]

i would! n i have...n i hated em! lol

muslims...typically the asian types...are jus stupid...sorry but they are...most ov them cant think outside the box...

i mean they stil go by the rules their parents or whoever gave in the 80's

most ov them never ate gelatin or them crisps because all they knew was they werent allowed to eat meat...so they decided u can only eat things that say "suitable for vegetarians"...

and its dispicable....u go to uni's u get a big time education...

but they cant be bothered to educate themselves abt stuf that matters...

so they go around sayin everythin is haraam...which as i sed...is a sin in itself!


grr...lol