Muslim Identity: Shaharukh Khan, Soha Ali khan - with Barkha Dutt - Page 3

**KALKI** · 05-05-2011

A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION...WORTH WATCHING
(in english)
!!!

Dr. Zakir Naik with Shaharukh Khan, Soha Ali khan, karan Johar, Kabir Khan, Maulana Mehmood Madni and with some others invited by NDTV 24 by 7 in the Show of Barkha Dutt on Topic MUSLIM IDENTITY.

balti · 06-05-2011

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Originally Posted by KALKI

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Originally Posted by *~TendrePoison~*

i Disagree. Zakir Naik, is not Dissinh Hinduis all the Time. HE answers Peoples Qstions, Hindus n muslims. He Speaks With Proves. What Ever he says, is justified by Qu'ran Aayat.

They compare both Religions. If he was dissing, talkin Crap, and speaking without proves.
I dont belive any Hindu Believer Would Convert To Islam. N yet Many Do. Subhan'Allah.

Sharukh khan.is he Muslim? Yes. Does he pray? Not realy. Like he said he always have a thought for God.
Iv heard Years back, that Mister SRK, has 2religions, hes Muslim n Hindu? U r not muslim if you belive in more than 1god.
U cant say x is a better muslim thn y or watever.
Thsts btw God n Him n onli Allah can Judge Him.

SRK IS A BETTER MUSLIM THEN MOST FAKE MUSLIMS WE COME ACROSS.
WHEN I SAY "FAKE" THOSE WHO ARE BRANDED AS NOT "TRUE MUSLIMS"...
FAIR ENOUGH SRK IS NOT 100% A TRUE MUSLIM, SINCE SRK FOLLOWS A MIXTURE OF TWO RELIGIONS...

BUT ID RATHER BE SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE LIKE HIM, THEN THOSE WHO LOOK DOWN ON YOU CONSIDERING YOU INFERIOR...

Spot on.

**KALKI** · 06-05-2011

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THE THING I SAID ABOUT ISLAM BEING TAGGED ND ALL WAS RIGHT THO,THE WAR AGAINST TERRORISM,THEY LINK TERRORISM WITH ISLAM.

THERE ARE HATERS EVERYWHERE, n not onlli ISLAM haters.
BUT THE USA IS LEADING A WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS.
^O)

I'M NOT HAVING A GO AT YOU...AN YEH THIS TOPIC IS SENSITIVE LIKE POINTED OUT...BUT YOU NEED 2 RE-THINK ABOUT HOW YOU SEE THINGS...

I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE...

WE ALL KNOW THAT RACISM STILL EXISTS IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHETHER ITS FRANCE, USA OR ENGLAND...YES?

BUT IMAGINE IF EVERY COLORED PERSON...STARTED WALKING ROUND OR SHOUTING THINGS LIKE:

"DOWN WITH RACISM"

"STOP RACISM"

"ARE YOU A RACIST?"

NOW IF PEOPLE DID THOSE THINGS...EVEN THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RACIST WILL FEEL AWKWARD AROUND EVERY COLORED PERSON...

THEY WOULD ASSUME/THINK:

"WHAT IF I SAY SOMETHING OUT OF LINE TO THAT BROWN PERSON...WILL THEY BE OFFENDED"

I'VE EXPERIENCED THIS MYSELF MANY TIMES.....I COULD BE TALKING 2 SOME WHITE GUY/GIRL AND AFTER THEY MAKE A COMMENT OR REMARK..THEY AUTOMATICALLY SAY...:

"I'M NOT BEING RACIST, I'M JUST ASKING"

...AND I'M LIKE...."CHILL OUT..IT'S KOOL"

PEOPLE HAVE BECOME SO PARANOID IN BEING BRANDED A HATERS...THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE TREADING ON EGGSHELLS WHEN THEY TALK 2 U!

...THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS IS...SO MANY IDIOTS GO ON AN ON ABOUT EVEN THE TINIEST THING

THAT PEOPLE HAVE BECOME PARANOID

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE 2 DROP ISSUES SO THE SITUATION DIES DOWN...

**Parisienne** · 06-05-2011

...

Islam is Exposed and Discriminated cause of a bunch of Idiots......

And and and.. Im not Parano

!!

I will not change my Thinkin@Usa

Until things Change... Nothing makes me wana change my thinking!

**KALKI** · 06-05-2011

YOURE TALKING ABOUT THE WAR ON ISLAM...YET CENTURIES AGO,

DURING THE RISE OF ISLAM, THERE WAS HATE ON HINDUS...MANY MUGHALS INVADED INDIA

A FOREIGN LAND...STEALING...DESTROYING PLACES OF WORSHIP....

HOW CAN SOMEONE BE PROUD OF THAT ? OVER A MILLIONS OF HINDUS WERE KILLED OR CONVERTED OUT OF FEAR FROM DEATH?

TEMPLES WERE DESTROYED...MOSQUES BUILT OVER THEM...IS THAT RIGHT?

THIS IS NOT PROPAGANDA...THIS IS TRUE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire

YET PEOPLE GET HAPPY AND SAY "THE GLORY DAYS OF ISLAM"
GLORY BUILT ON DEATH AND INVASION...SOME MAY SAY...WELL IT WAS FOUGHT FOR LAND AND GREED,
FOR 800 YEARS? THERE ARE MANY ACCOUNTS BY MUGHAL , MUSLIM INVADERS THAT THEY PURPOSELY INVADED INDIA TO KILL AND CONVERT KAFIRS...

I FEEL DISGUSTED THAT MUGHALS INVADED AND DID SO MUCH DAMAGE...

MANY THINGS CANNOT BE REPLACED, SCRIPTURES WERE BURNT..PEOPLE WERE CONVERTED OR KILLED BY NO CHOICE

ANCIENT TEMPLES LOOTED, RICHES AND MANY THINGS STOLEN AND TAKEN AWAY...HISTORY WAS LOST THAT STOOD FOR CENTURIES...

MANY INDIAN MUSLIMS LIVING IN INDIA HAVE HINDU ANCESTORS TILL THIS VERY DAY....

WHAT IS THE HUGE DIFFERENCE TODAY? THE USA IS INVADING MUSLIM LANDS RIGHT?
YET YESTERDAY IN HISTORY, MUSLIMS INVADED SPAIN, AFRICA ,INDIA AND MANY OTHER PLACES??

HOW WOULD PEOPLE FEEL IF ISLAMIC LANDS WERE INVADED AND DESTROYED?

...DONT YOU THINK MANY HINDUS THOUGHT:

"HANG ON THIS IS HINDU HOLY LAND, GO HOME YOU MUGHALS...GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY"

....OF COURSE MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT LIKE THAT...MANY STILL DO, I SPEAK TO MANY WHO FEEL THAT WAY BUT DON'T SAY NOTHING...
BUT I THINK TO MYSELF, WHY ARE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE PAST, GET ON WITH LIFE...DONT DWELL ON HISTORY
THE MUGHAL OPPRESSION TOWARDS THE SIKHS WENT ON...WITH MORE CONFLICTS...I MEAN 2 SIKH GURUS KILLED FOR REJECTING ISLAM,

BUT AS TIME WENT ON THEY ALL LIVED TOGETHER MORE OR LESS TILL THE BRITISH CAME ALONG COLONISING INDIA...

SOON, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WERE WORKING TOGETHER TO KICK THE BRITISH OUT, ALL WIH THEIR OWN AGENDA...YET WORKING TOGETHER...

EVEN THE BRITISH HAVE AGREED MANY TIMES THAT THEY HAVE USED DIVIDE AND RULE TACTIC, THEY BENEFITED FROM BOTH GROUPS FIGHTING
.
..... SAME IS HAPPENING TODAY IF YOU LOOK CLOSE AROUND....

...TODAY THE WEST CREATES REGIME CHANGES, INVADES A LAND...OVER THROWS A GOVERNMENT...AND HEY PRESTO...NOW HEY HAVE OIL AND WHAT NOT...
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HISTORY BELONGS IN THE PAST...BUT STILL MANY PEOPLE STRUGGLE AND SUFFER TILL THIS DAY IN INDIA....

BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHERE THEY BELONG....

SO WHOSE FAULT IS ALL THIS?!?

WHO WOULD YOU BLAME?

- BRITISH FOR COMING 2 INDIA?

- MOGULS COMING 2 INDIA?

- HINDUS, WHO'S LAND IS HAS BEEN FOR CENTURIES ;WHO NOW LIVE WITH INVADERS?

SO NOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE SHAHRUKH KHAN WHOSE ANCESTORS ARE HALF HINDU OR HALF MUSLIM...MANY LIKE HIM....

THIS IS WHY THEY SHOW TOLERANCE TOWARDS BOTH RELIGIONS...EVEN THO IT MAKES NO SENSE...AN YH,
ACCORDING TO ISLAM IDOL WORSHIPING IS WRONG AN PEOPLE LIKE SHAH RUKH KHAN WHO FOLLOW TWO RELIGIONS ARE NOT "PROPER" MUSLIMS...
....I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT, BUT LEAVE IT 2 THEM AND GOD...WHY BECOME THE BAD GUY BY TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT 2 THEM?
NON MUSLIMS WILL SEE THAT KINDA PREACHING AS NEGATIVITY TOWARDS ISLAM...
WHEN I SEE PEOPLE LIKE ZAKIR NAIK TALK RUBBISH OR THEIR VERSION OF HINDUISM...
I FEEL LIKE CREATING COUNTER MATERIAL 2 PROVE HIM WRONG....AND IT'S WHAT MANY PEOPLE WILL START DOING...
SO EVEN THE GOOD WORK THAT ZAKIR NAIK HAS DONE 2 TEACH MUSLIMS ABOUT ISLAM, WILL END UP GOING TO WASTE...WATCH AND SEE...

**Parisienne** · 06-05-2011

Right ... I Agree..

But nowadays no ones FORCED to Convert? Are They?

Can we debate later? My migraines not goin away..hav it bad since i woke up ..

So you find it Normal then? The Usa Invading Muslims lands, like so so what? Mughals did the same.... Hmm.. They all tired to Invade India.. The Christians as the Muslims..

In some parts of India,people are Still living all together Happily! With Tolerance towards Each Others!..

We Can not Change History,no matter what Happened in the Past,n what ever is Happenim in our Countries Today. Hindu n Muslims r stil fighting, jws n Muslims stil fighting... Religious Wars,if we can call em like tht wud nver End til the End of time...

I didnt Offend any Religion, i just Said that, The Usa is fighting against Muslims.

in the name of "spreading Peace".... Pffff bulshit. And im not Even Dissin em Only.im Dissin both Parts.

Yes They all lived together,struggled,to kick the Angrezz ..i know

**Parisienne** · 06-05-2011

Islam is the Religion thats Suffering the Most Today.

**KALKI** · 06-05-2011

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Originally Posted by *~TendrePoison~*

...

Islam is Exposed and Discriminated cause of a bunch of Idiots......

And and and.. Im not Parano

!!

I will not change my Thinkin@Usa

Until things Change... Nothing makes me wana change my thinking!

THINGS WILL NEVER IMPROVE FOR ISLAM...IF YOU ACT LIKE VICTIMS

...OR IF YOU SUPPORT OR ENCOURAGE IDIOTS LIKE THIS GUY

THESE ARE THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT GIVE AMMUNITION (a reason) 2 THE WEST...

..BE REALISTIC IF THE WHOLE WORLD WAS ISLAMIC JUST LIKE THAT GUY STATES IN THE VIDEO...WITH HIS VERSION OF ISLAM..

...EVERYONE CAN KISS GOOD BYE TO THE INTERNET AND EVERY OTHER LITTLE THING WE ENJOY IN THIS WORLD.....

COS FUNDAMENTALISTS LIKE THAT IDIOT WOULD BAN IT ALL...!!

THEY WOULD BAN ALMOST EVERYTHING FROM:

- MUSIC
- MOVIES
- SOCIAL LIVES
- FREE SPEACH ANYWHERE WOULD BE BLOCKED COMPLETLY (unless your promoting Islam)
- I THINK PHONES WOULD BE BANNED 2

SO GUYS AND GIRLS DONT FLIRT

HUGE CHANGES HOW PEOPLE LIVE DAILY WOULD BE EFFECTED...

DO YOU REALLY THINK IF THESE FUNDAMENTALIST DID SPREAD THEIR VERSION OF ISLAM EVERYONE WOULD BE LIVING HAPPY?

I DON'T THINK SO

YOUTUBE WOULD BE BANNED FOR SURE

EVERYTHING WOULD BE HARAAM THAT OPPOSES THEIR VERSION OF ISLAM

MOST THESE FUNDAMENTALISTS LIVE THAT WAY...ALL BASIC...

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WANTS 2 LIVE LIKE THAT!?

I DON'T!

..THE WEST IS BUSY TRYING 2 BREAK ISLAM UP INTO PIECES...THAT MUCH IS VERY OBVIOUS,
DSPITE SUNNI AND SHIA FIGHTING EACH OTHER FOR CENTURIES,
EVERY REGIME CHANGE SEEMS TO BE OVER THROWING A CERTAIN SECT OF ISLAM...
SO FURTHER CONFLICTS ARISE BETWEEN MUSLIMS...THIS WAY THERE IS NEVER ANY PEACE IN THE EAST...

OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS A PUPPET CREATED BY THE WEST, WHICH WE ALL KNOW...
WHILE IT SUITED THE WEST, HE WAS A FRIEND....WHEN THEY NO LONGER NEEDED HIM TO DO THEIR DIRTY WORK,
THEY DISCREDITED HIM AND HIS VERSION OF ISLAM...

PEOPLE STILL DONT LEARN...THE MORE YOU HATE BACK THE MORE TENSION IT CAUSES...YOU PROVIDE THEM AN EXCUSE..

**KALKI** · 06-05-2011

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Originally Posted by *~TendrePoison~*

Right ... I Agree..

But nowadays no ones FORCED to Convert? Are They?

Can we debate later? My migraines not goin away..hav it bad since i woke up ..

So you find it Normal then? The Usa Invading Muslims lands, like so so what? Mughals did the same.... Hmm.. They all tired to Invade India.. The Christians as the Muslims..

In some parts of India,people are Still living all together Happily! With Tolerance towards Each Others!..

We Can not Change History,no matter what Happened in the Past,n what ever is Happenim in our Countries Today. Hindu n Muslims r stil fighting, jws n Muslims stil fighting... Religious Wars,if we can call em like tht wud nver End til the End of time...

I didnt Offend any Religion, i just Said that, The Usa is fighting against Muslims.

in the name of "spreading Peace".... Pffff bulshit. And im not Even Dissin em Only.im Dissin both Parts.

Yes They all lived together,struggled,to kick the Angrezz ..i know

INVASION IS FULLY WRONG...NO MATTER WHOS LAND IT IS

I'LL BE HONEST && BLUNT...EVEN THOUGH I FULLY DISAGREE WITH OSAMA HIS INSANE ACTIONS, BLOWING UP THE WIN TOWERS..
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY HE DONE IT...WHAT DROVE HIM TO IT...

FOR EXAMPLE;
IF SOMEONE CALLS ME A BLACK BASTARD TODAY....IT DOES NOT MEAN I WILL ABUSE AND CALL HIM A WHITE BASTARD TOMORROW?
SEE THE LOGIC?
I KNOW THAT WE DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD, AND SOME PEOPLE ONLY LEARN THE HARD WAY, TIT 4 TAT SITUATIONS,
BUT ALL THAT WILL NOT TAKE US FORWARD,

**Parisienne** · 06-05-2011

ONCcE AGAIN iSlAM is Exposed in a Negativ WAY

cause of some Idiots !!

Islam is not AS Bad nd Strict As they try to show it

Each of Us has a Conscience .. Nd we are responsible for the things we do.. Why is religiom tagged for some bastards will, n thinking ..? We do not all think the same Way.. N Thank GOD.

They think they know Islam.. Byt they r Ignorant

n Jahil!

Anyway..We have to Follow The Right kinda People.. We aint ignorant n Dumb to Follow Blindly.

**KALKI** · 06-05-2011

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Originally Posted by *~TendrePoison~*

Right ... I Agree..

But nowadays no ones FORCED to Convert? Are They?

Can we debate later? My migraines not goin away..hav it bad since i woke up ..

So you find it Normal then? The Usa Invading Muslims lands, like so so what? Mughals did the same.... Hmm.. They all tired to Invade India.. The Christians as the Muslims..

In some parts of India,people are Still living all together Happily! With Tolerance towards Each Others!..

We Can not Change History,no matter what Happened in the Past,n what ever is Happenim in our Countries Today. Hindu n Muslims r stil fighting, jws n Muslims stil fighting... Religious Wars,if we can call em like tht wud nver End til the End of time...

I didnt Offend any Religion, i just Said that, The Usa is fighting against Muslims.

in the name of "spreading Peace".... Pffff bulshit. And im not Even Dissin em Only.im Dissin both Parts.

Yes They all lived together,struggled,to kick the Angrezz ..i know

I KNOW YOURE NOT...BUT I'M TRYING 2 EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, SO EVEN IF SOMEONE ELSE READS THIS...THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE LIKE SHAH RUKH KHAN

FOLLOW 2 SETS OF BELIEFS...AND WHEN PEOPLE SAY (as you mentioned before)

"HE IS NOT MUSLIM, COS HE DOESN'T FOLLOW ISLAM CORRECTLY"

WELL, THIS IS BETWEEN HIM AND GOD ONLY...GOD WILL JUDGE HIM, IF HE IS A GOOD MUSLIM OR NOT...NOT SOME HUMAN BEING...
THE MORE YOU PASS JUDGMENT ON MUSLIMS LIKE SRK, THEY (non muslims and clueless Muslims) WILL JUDGE YOU, THEY WILL SEE YOU AS A "FUNDAMENTALIST TYPE MUSLIM"

...ACCORDING TO THE QURAN, WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE....

BUT YOU WILL BE PROJECTED AS THE BAD GUY (unfortunately) FOR SPEAKING OUT...THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ THE QURAN WILL ASSUME YOU ARE SOME NUT JOB ASSERTING THIS AND THAT AS THEY PLEASE..