COMPARATIVE STUDIES: Islamic Brotherhood / Nationalism & Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam

11-06-2008 10:19 KALKI#1
AFTER WATCHING A VIDEO ON ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD BY ZAKIR NAIK...I WAS INSPIRED TO MAKE THIS TOPIC. 8-|

SO LET'S GET STARTED....(H)




ISLAM REJECTS NATIONALISM...CONSIDERED HARAM / FORBIDDEN:

:O WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WELL, WAVING THE INDIAN OR BRITISH FLAG (or any other flag) AROUND INSTANTLY MAKES YOU A PATRIOT...

THIS IS NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM. :|

THE LOOP HOLE HERE IS SIMPLE, THE FLAG MUST REPRESENT ISLAM AND NOT THE COUNTRY:

EXAMPLE:

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The flag of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (Arabic: علم المملكة العربية السعودية‎) is the flag used by the government of Saudi Arabia since March 15, 1973. It is a green flag featuring in white an Arabic inscription and a sword. The inscription is the Islamic creed, or shahada: "There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of God".


:pakistan-flag:

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Nationalism

Nationalism is an ideology that emphasizes loyalty, devotion, or allegiance to a nation or nation-state and holds that such obligations outweigh other individual or group interests.



Grouping the Muslims on tribalistic lines is clearly forbidden. It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, "He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/ tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah."

And in another Hadith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism said: "Leave it, it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari]

and in the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, "He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father's genitals"

Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, narrated by At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud, "There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories. Man is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust."

Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, "Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung)." [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]

https://www.irfi.org/articles/articl...ionalism_i.htm

https://sunnahonline.com/library/bel...of-nationalism




ISLAM PROMOTES BROTHERHOOD (Y) ......NOW, THE LOOP HOLE HERE IS SIMPLE 8-) ...YOU MUST BE A MUSLIM TO BE ACCEPTED IN THIS BROTHERHOOD CIRCLE :| IF YOU ARE NOT A MUSLIM, YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SCOOBY DOO BROTHERHOOD GANG (with respect!) 8-)

BELOW:

"The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy."
https://quran.com/49/10

"O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers."
https://quran.com/49/11


THE ISLAM PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM; NATIONALISM CREATES DIVISION / BOUNDARIES / BORDERS BASED ON GEOGRAPHIC AND ETHNIC ATTRIBUTES ETC :|

8-) IRONICALLY...IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM (A BELIEVER) THOSE OPPOSITE, ARE (UNBELIEVERS) KAFIR'S :O

SO YOU BASICALLY HAVE A MUSLIM NATION (Muslims united) Vs NON-MUSLIMS..

FURTHER CONFIRMATION:

“You are the best nation produced [as an example]
for mankind.
You enjoin what is right and forbid
what is wrong and believe in Allah.
If only the People of the Scripture had
believed, it would have been better for them.
Among them are believers, but most
of them are defiantly disobedient.”
http://quran.com/3/110

ABOVE, THE KORAN MAKES IT CLEAR....MUSLIMS ARE THE BEST NATION CREATED.

FURTHER:

"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided."
https://quran.com/3/103


"And let there be [arising] from you a nation inviting to [all that is] good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong, and those will be the successful."
https://quran.com/3/104


And do not be like the ones who became divided and differed after the clear proofs had come to them. And those will have a great punishment.
https://quran.com/3/105


On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."
https://quran.com/3/106


:OTHE KORAN ALSO STATES THAT SECTS WILL BE CREATED...TODAY YOU HAVE SUNNI/SHIA/AHEMDIYA ....SECTARIAN VIOLENCE:

"Say, "He is the [one] Able to send upon you affliction from above you or from beneath your
feet or to confuse you [so you become] sects and make you taste the violence of one another.
" Look how We diversify the signs that they might understand."
https://quran.com/6/65

SO THE QUESTION IS SIMPLE, WHERE IS THE BROTHERHOOD?

IF YOU'RE A BORN & RAISED MUSLIM, THIS WHOLE BROTHERHOOD NOTION IS AWESOME AND PERFECT (BOTH MUSLIM)...HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE A KAFIR (A NON MUSLIM)...YOU DO NOT BELONG WITHIN THAT CIRCLE UNLESS YOU ACCEPT ISLAM...HARSH AS IT SOUNDS...BLUNT REALITY! [/B]


8-| MOVING ON.........

:India-flag:

HINDUISM PROMOTES / ALLOWS NATIONALISM ...LAND & COUNTRY ARE ONE....CONSIDERED MOTHERLAND:

WE CAN SEE THIS IN MANY FORMS...INDIA IS CALLED "BHARAT MATA" (Mother India)


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Bhārat Mātā (Hindi, from Sanskrit Bhāratāmbā भारताम्बा; अम्बा ambā means 'mother', also known as Mother India in English) is the national personification of India as a mother goddess. She is usually depicted as a woman clad in a saffron sari holding the Indian national flag, and sometimes accompanied by a lion


THE EARTH ITSELF IS CONSIDERED A MOTHER....NOT ONLY INDIA...THE ENTIRE PLANET.

THE EARTH IS REFERRED TO AS BHUMI-DEVI (Mother Earth)


SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM MENTIONS THE EARTH SPEAKING:

“After conquering all the land on my surface, these proud kings forcibly enter the ocean to conquer the sea itself. What is the use of their self-control, which is aimed at political exploitation? The actual goal of self-control is spiritual liberation.”
https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/12/3/5


"O best of the Kurus, the earth continued as follows: “Although in the past great men and their descendants have left me, departing from this world in the same helpless way they came into it, even today foolish men are trying to conquer me."
https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/12/3/6


HINDUISM CLEARLY ACCEPTS THE WHOLE WORLD AS ONE:

BELOW IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE:


'VASUDHAIVA KUTUMBAKAM' ("The world is one family")

Sanskrit:

ayam bandhurayam neti ganana laghuchetasam udaracharitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam

Translation:
Only small men discriminate saying: One is a relative; the other is a stranger.
For those who live magnanimously the entire world constitutes but a family.

- Vedas/Upanishad, Chapter 6, Verse 72


A SKEPTIC WILL SAY...WHAT ABOUT THE CASTE SYSTEM? IF THE WORLD IS ONE FAMILY, WHY DOES THE CASTE SYSTEM DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN HUMANS?

FIRSTLY, THE CASTE SYSTEM IS A SOCIAL HIERARCHY STRUCTURE.

SECONDLY, THE BHAGAVAD GITA CLEARLY STATES THAT EVERYONE IS EQUAL REGARDLESS OF BELIEFS / BACKGROUNDS. THERE IS NO RACISM. NO DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN BELIEVERS OR DISBELIEVERS.


AS STATED IN THE BHAGAVAD GITA:


“A person is said to be still further advanced when he regards all—the honest well-wisher, friends and enemies, the envious, the pious, the sinner and those who are indifferent and impartial—with an equal mind.”
https://asitis.com/6/9.html


“A true yogi observes Me in all beings, and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere.”
https://asitis.com/6/29.html

“I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity.”
https://asitis.com/7/21.html

“I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedanta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.”
https://asitis.com/15/15.html

“The yogis, abandoning attachment, act with body, mind, intelligence, and even with the senses, only for the purpose of purification.”
https://asitis.com/5/11.html

“Those whose minds are established in sameness and equanimity have already conquered the conditions of birth and death. They are flawless like Brahman, and thus they are already situated in Brahman.”
https://asitis.com/5/19.html


THERE'S HEAPS MORE...BUT THIS WILL DO FOR NOW...:)


DISCLAIMER: THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS...IF I AM WRONG...PROVE IT!
01-11-2008 15:39 diva_2620#2
This was an eye opener 8-)

shared!
13-11-2008 16:52 Kalpana.v#3
Awesome research as usual :D


15-11-2008 19:23 HØØÐËÐ_SÏStÂH#4
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Originally Posted by KALKI »


THE KORAN ALSO STATES THAT SECTS WILL BE CREATED...TODAY YOU HAVE SUNNI/SHIA/AHEMDIYA ETC SECTARIAN VIOLENCE:

"Say, "He is the [one] Able to send upon you affliction from above you or from beneath your
feet or to confuse you [so you become] sects and make you taste the violence of one another.
" Look how We diversify the signs that they might understand."
https://quran.com/6/65


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:O ok ....You're right :|

https://narok.com.kz/en/temy-korana/...o-termine-shia

The Quran about the term “shi,a”


In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful

The problem of the separation of religion into different branches touched absolutely all religions and beliefs. A similar phenomenon has not bypassed the world of Islam.

The word “shi,a” is associated by most Muslims with “Shiites.” The root of this word is “shaa,a“, which means “to spread, to belong to everyone“. The word “shiya,un” is a plural from the word “shii,atun,” which means “adherents, followers, groups, groupings, sects.”

With the help of the signs, God tests his servants for strength. One of such “checks” is precisely the division of adherents of one ideology.

Say, “He is able to send upon you affliction from above you or from beneath your feet or to confuse you with groupings (shiya,an) and make you taste the violence of one another.” Look how We diversify the signs that they might understand! (6:65)



There is an opinion based on the tradition that the division into different groupings is the mercy of the Most High. However, the Lord expressed a different opinion in the Quran.

Indeed, those who have divided their duty and become groupings (shiya,an) – you are not with them in anything. Their affair is with God, then He will inform them about what they used to do. (6:159)

And do not be of those who associate others with God and of those who have divided their duty and become groupings (shiya,an), every faction rejoicing in what it has. (30:32)
29-11-2008 09:56 jay999#5
Smashed it!

shared !!


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Originally Posted by KALKI »


MOVING ON.........



HINDUISM PROMOTES / ALLOWS NATIONALISM ...LAND & COUNTRY ARE ONE....CONSIDERED MOTHERLAND:

WE CAN SEE THIS IN MANY FORMS...INDIA IS CALLED "BHARAT MATA" (Mother India)


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Bhārat Mātā (Hindi, from Sanskrit Bhāratāmbā भारताम्बा; अम्बा ambā means 'mother', also known as Mother India in English) is the national personification of India as a mother goddess. She is usually depicted as a woman clad in a saffron sari holding the Indian national flag, and sometimes accompanied by a lion

THE EARTH ITSELF IS CONSIDERED A MOTHER....NOT ONLY INDIA...THE ENTIRE PLANET.

THE EARTH IS REFERRED TO AS BHUMI-DEVI (Mother Earth)


SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM MENTIONS THE EARTH SPEAKING:

“After conquering all the land on my surface, these proud kings forcibly enter the ocean to conquer the sea itself. What is the use of their self-control, which is aimed at political exploitation? The actual goal of self-control is spiritual liberation.”
https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/12/3/5


"O best of the Kurus, the earth continued as follows: “Although in the past great men and their descendants have left me, departing from this world in the same helpless way they came into it, even today foolish men are trying to conquer me."
https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/12/3/6


HINDUISM CLEARLY ACCEPTS THE WHOLE WORLD AS ONE:

BELOW IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE:


'VASUDHAIVA KUTUMBAKAM' ("The world is one family")

Sanskrit:

ayam bandhurayam neti ganana laghuchetasam udaracharitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam

Translation:
Only small men discriminate saying: One is a relative; the other is a stranger.
For those who live magnanimously the entire world constitutes but a family.

- Vedas/Upanishad, Chapter 6, Verse 72


A SKEPTIC WILL SAY...WHAT ABOUT THE CASTE SYSTEM? IF THE WORLD IS ONE FAMILY, WHY DOES THE CASTE SYSTEM DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN HUMANS?

FIRSTLY, THE CASTE SYSTEM IS A SOCIAL HIERARCHY STRUCTURE.

SECONDLY, THE BHAGAVAD GITA CLEARLY STATES THAT EVERYONE IS EQUAL REGARDLESS OF BELIEFS / BACKGROUNDS. THERE IS NO RACISM. NO DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN BELIEVERS OR DISBELIEVERS.


AS STATED IN THE BHAGAVAD GITA:


“A person is said to be still further advanced when he regards all—the honest well-wisher, friends and enemies, the envious, the pious, the sinner and those who are indifferent and impartial—with an equal mind.”
https://asitis.com/6/9.html


“A true yogi observes Me in all beings, and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere.”
https://asitis.com/6/29.html

“I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity.”
https://asitis.com/7/21.html

“I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedanta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.”
https://asitis.com/15/15.html

“The yogis, abandoning attachment, act with body, mind, intelligence, and even with the senses, only for the purpose of purification.”
https://asitis.com/5/11.html

“Those whose minds are established in sameness and equanimity have already conquered the conditions of birth and death. They are flawless like Brahman, and thus they are already situated in Brahman.”
https://asitis.com/5/19.html







thanks!
29-11-2008 15:06 MahaRani#6

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Originally Posted by KALKI »


MOVING ON.........



HINDUISM PROMOTES / ALLOWS NATIONALISM ...LAND & COUNTRY ARE ONE....CONSIDERED MOTHERLAND:

WE CAN SEE THIS IN MANY FORMS...INDIA IS CALLED "BHARAT MATA" (Mother India)


Quote

Bhārat Mātā (Hindi, from Sanskrit Bhāratāmbā भारताम्बा; अम्बा ambā means 'mother', also known as Mother India in English) is the national personification of India as a mother goddess. She is usually depicted as a woman clad in a saffron sari holding the Indian national flag, and sometimes accompanied by a lion

THE EARTH ITSELF IS CONSIDERED A MOTHER....NOT ONLY INDIA...THE ENTIRE PLANET.

THE EARTH IS REFERRED TO AS BHUMI-DEVI (Mother Earth)


SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM MENTIONS THE EARTH SPEAKING:

“After conquering all the land on my surface, these proud kings forcibly enter the ocean to conquer the sea itself. What is the use of their self-control, which is aimed at political exploitation? The actual goal of self-control is spiritual liberation.”
https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/12/3/5


"O best of the Kurus, the earth continued as follows: “Although in the past great men and their descendants have left me, departing from this world in the same helpless way they came into it, even today foolish men are trying to conquer me."
https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/12/3/6


HINDUISM CLEARLY ACCEPTS THE WHOLE WORLD AS ONE:

BELOW IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE:


'VASUDHAIVA KUTUMBAKAM' ("The world is one family")

Sanskrit:

ayam bandhurayam neti ganana laghuchetasam udaracharitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam

Translation:
Only small men discriminate saying: One is a relative; the other is a stranger.
For those who live magnanimously the entire world constitutes but a family.

- Vedas/Upanishad, Chapter 6, Verse 72


A SKEPTIC WILL SAY...WHAT ABOUT THE CASTE SYSTEM? IF THE WORLD IS ONE FAMILY, WHY DOES THE CASTE SYSTEM DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN HUMANS?

FIRSTLY, THE CASTE SYSTEM IS A SOCIAL HIERARCHY STRUCTURE.

SECONDLY, THE BHAGAVAD GITA CLEARLY STATES THAT EVERYONE IS EQUAL REGARDLESS OF BELIEFS / BACKGROUNDS. THERE IS NO RACISM. NO DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN BELIEVERS OR DISBELIEVERS.


AS STATED IN THE BHAGAVAD GITA:


“A person is said to be still further advanced when he regards all—the honest well-wisher, friends and enemies, the envious, the pious, the sinner and those who are indifferent and impartial—with an equal mind.”
https://asitis.com/6/9.html



“A true yogi observes Me in all beings, and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere.”
https://asitis.com/6/29.html

“I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity.”
https://asitis.com/7/21.html

“I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedanta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.”
https://asitis.com/15/15.html

“The yogis, abandoning attachment, act with body, mind, intelligence, and even with the senses, only for the purpose of purification.”
https://asitis.com/5/11.html

“Those whose minds are established in sameness and equanimity have already conquered the conditions of birth and death. They are flawless like Brahman, and thus they are already situated in Brahman.”
https://asitis.com/5/19.html

Beautiful x

Thank you xx
12-12-2008 15:07 xxHaRrOw-GiRlxx#7
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24-04-2012 18:06 Amrita#8



'VASUDHAIVA KUTUMBAKAM' ("The world is one family")

Sanskrit:

ayam bandhurayam neti ganana laghuchetasam udaracharitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam

Translation:
Only small men discriminate saying: One is a relative; the other is a stranger.
For those who live magnanimously the entire world constitutes but a family.

- Vedas/Upanishad, Chapter 6, Verse 72


:D Great work Kal (H)
31-10-2017 14:49 Desi_0_0_Doll#9
Lush :P

You forgot to add:


"I envy no one, nor am I partial to anyone.
I am equal to all.
But whoever renders service unto Me in devotion is a friend,
is in Me, and I am also a friend to him."


https://asitis.com/9/29.html
01-11-2017 00:26 balti#10
Nicely done.

I enjoyed reading this.