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Matsya is described to have rescued the first man, Manu, from the great floods!
This is similar to the biblical story of Noahs ark.
Obviously Manu's Vedic version happen long before Christianity existed.
The aim of this post is to study the time scales.
First we will examine biblical sources, later vedic.
When I have time I will create these into slides.
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KEY POINTS:
- Jesus was born 2,000 years ago
- Biblical sources claim the world is: 6010 years old (see below for "Method Two")
- Science states: World is: 4.5 billion years old
- Vedas state: World is: 4.32 billion years old
Humans Populated the Entire World. After more than 1600 years of habitation on Earth, the planet's population was surely large (millions or billions). The Bible confirms that (a) Man had multiplied upon the face of the Earth (Genesis 6:1), (b) Violence and corruption filled the Earth (Genesis 6:11-12). The Bible is clear that man could not have existed only in the Mesopotamian region—a region too small to support such a large population, especially considering the natural dispersion affect of a violent society.
COMPLETE BREAK DOWN:
*KEY POINTS:
Jesus was born 2,000 years ago
Biblical sources conclude world: 6,010 years old
Science states: World is: 4.5 billion years old
Vedas state: World is: 4.32 billion years old
Man had multiplied upon the face of the Earth (Genesis 6:1) http://biblehub.com/genesis/6-1.htm (b) Violence and corruption filled the Earth (Genesis 6:11-12).
According to Genesis (before the great floods) life existed on earth for 1,600 years! (not possible!) Life existed in India, Greece, Egypt, China &South Korea!
Flood began: Approximately 4,359 years ago!
"Look! I am about to cover the earth with a flood that will destroy every living thing that breathes. Everything on earth will die." Genesis 6:9-8:22 http://biblehub.com/genesis/6-9.htm
http://biblehub.com/genesis/8-12.htm*
TIMESCALES:
1.Adam (first man) lived 930 years (Genesis 5:5) http://biblehub.com/genesis/5-5.htm
died 216 yrs. Before the birth of Noah
2.Seth = Adam's 3rd son lived 912 years
Seth knew Noah for 34 years before he died
3.Methuselah (4th great grandson of Seth) lived 969 years
Methuselah knew Adam 243 years. Methuselah knew Seth 355 years
4.Lamech (son of Methuselah) lived 777 years (died before his father)*
he is the father of Noah died 5 years before the flood. Lamech died: 2110 BCE (Genesis 5:29) Noah named by his father: http://biblehub.com/genesis/5-29.htm
5.Noah lived 950 years (Genesis 9:29) http://biblehub.com/genesis/9-29.htm
Methuselah knew Noah 600 years and died the year of the flood
Talked with his father, Lamech 595 years
Shem son of Noah (father of all Semites) lived 600 years
talked with Methuselah 98 years* lived after the flood 502 years
7.Eber or Heber (great-grandson of Shem) lived 464 years
knew both Noah and Shem
8.Terah (3 x great grandson of Eber) lived 205 years
130 yrs old when Abraham is born. Talked with both Noah and Shem
9.Abraham (Abram son of Terah) lived 175 years
Abraham knew Shem son of Noah 150 years
Noah died 2 yrs. before Abraham was born
Heber outlives Abraham by 4 years
10.Isaac (son of Abraham and Sarah) lived 180 years. Knew Shem (son of Noah) 50 years
11.Jacob (called Israel and son of Isaac and father of the 12 tribes) . Lived 147 years. Knew Abraham 20 years
12.Levi (3rd oldest son of Israel – Jacob) Knew Isaac about 45 years
*knew Amran father of Moses who was his grandson.
Great grandfather of Moses
Levi passed on the oral history to his grandson Amran
13.Moses (son of Amran son of Kohath son of Levi) Lived 120 years
Brother of Aaron who knew their father approx. 65 years
Moses receives the Oral Tradition from God and is commanded to write the first 5 books of the Old Testament."And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated." (Deuteronomy 34:7) http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/34-7.htm
Moses lived: 1393-1273 BCE***
Moses existence (confirmation):
14. Joshua lived: 1356-1245 BCE (Joshua 1:1) http://biblehub.com/joshua/1-1.htm | Joshua lived to be 110 years old (Joshua 24:29) http://biblehub.com/joshua/24-29.htm (6th century BCE)
"Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,"
15. "Sometime after Joshua had died, the Israelis asked the LORD, "Who is to lead us against the Canaanites in our opening attack against them?" http://biblehub.com/judges/1-1.htm 8th century BCE
Followed by: Ruth, Samuel , Saul , David , Solomon 970–931*BCE | Rehoboam (son of Solomon) 931 - 913 BCE | Abijah of Judah (son of Rehoboam) 911 BC
METHOD TWO:
Another way to go about this is by adding the generation gap between Adam and Noah, which many people tend to do.
- Adam 930 lived years
- Seth 912 lived years
- Enosh 905 lived years
- Cainan 910 lived years
- Mahalalel 895 lived years
- Jared 962 lived years
- Enoch 365 lived years
- Methuselah 969 lived years
- Lamech 777 (Noahs father) lived years
- Noah 950 lived years
If we take the above figures (at face value) we reach a figure of: 8,575
E.G. 930 + 912 + 905 + 910 + 895 + 962 + 365 + 969 +777 + 950 = 8,575 years
What does this mean?
Seth for example, Adam's 3rd son lived 912 years
Seth knew Noah for 34 years before he died
.Methuselah (4th great grandson of Seth) lived 969 years
Methuselah knew Adam 243 years. Methuselah knew Seth 355 years
For example:
If a father has 6 sons, and each son died aged 56
6 (sons) x 56 = 336
Did the father live to be 336? No.
An apologist will count every offspring (for each generation) to reach a figure of 8,000 or so.
This would place Adam on earth around 9,000 max or so.
Identify key players only.
HINDUISM = MATSYA AVATAR:
This portion is straight forward, no need to dig into scriptures or timelines..Regardless, I have added a few verses below.
- Satyayug or Krityug = 17,28,000 human years
- Tretayug = 12,96,000 human years
- Dwaparyug = 8,64,000 human years
- Kaliyug = 4,32,000 human years
Many will say: Noahs ark and Matsya avatar share and came from the same source...(hit that pause button!) Hinduism is far older.
Kaliyug began right after the end of the Mahabharat war with King Parikshit (son of Abhimanyu and Uttara) as the new ruler (5,000 years ago).
Matsya avatar took place in Satya yuga. This is where the legend originates. Now, whether you decide to call it a myth or not, the fact remains..The legend is far older.
If "Satya yuga" was 17,28,000 human years in length. then simple common sense dictates "Noah" did not exist at this point 8-) Nor is Adam that old.
Again, without any scriptural verses , by simply qutoing the 4 yugas, this refutes any line of questioning.
The 4 yugas are heavily mentioned throughout (almost) every major vedic text, including the Bhagavad Gita.
"By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together is the duration of Brahma's one day. And such also is the duration of his night"
PURPORT
The duration of the material universe is limited. It is manifested in cycles of kalpas. A kalpa is a day of Brahma, and one day of Brahma consists of a thousand cycles of four yugas or ages: Satya, Treta, Dvapara, and Kali. The cycle of Satya is characterized by virtue, wisdom and religion, there being practically no ignorance and vice, and the yuga lasts 1,728,000 years. In the Treta-yuga vice is introduced, and this yuga lasts 1,296,000 years. In the Dvapara-yuga there is an even greater decline in virtue and religion, vice increasing, and this yuga lasts 864,000 years. And finally in Kali-yuga (the yuga we have now been experiencing over the past 5,000 years) there is an abundance of strife, ignorance, irreligion and vice, true virtue being practically nonexistent, and this yuga lasts 432,000 years. In Kali-yuga vice increases to such a point that at the termination of the yuga the Supreme Lord Himself appears as the Kalki avatara, vanquishes the demons, saves His devotees, and commences another Satya-yuga. Then the process is set rolling again. These four yugas, rotating a thousand times, comprise one day of Brahma, the creator god, and the same number comprise one night. Brahma lives one hundred of such "years" and then dies. These "hundred years" by earth calculations total to 311 trillion and 40 million earth years. By these calculations the life of Brahma seems fantastic and interminable, but from the viewpoint of eternity it is as brief as a lightning flash. In the causal ocean there are innumerable Brahmas rising and disappearing like bubbles in the Atlantic. Brahma and his creation are all part of the material universe, and therefore they are in constant flux.
Secondary translation:
BG 8.17: One day of Brahma (kalp) lasts a thousand cycles of the four ages (mahā yug) and his night also extends for the same span of time. The wise who know this understand the reality about day and night.
Srimad Bhagavatam:
"At the end of every four yugas, the great saintly persons, upon seeing that the eternal occupational duties of mankind have been misused, reestablish the principles of religion."
PURPORT
In this verse, the words dharmaḥ and sanātanaḥ are very important. Sanātana means “eternal,” and dharma means “occupational duties.” From Satya-yuga to Kali-yuga, the principles of religion and occupational duty gradually deteriorate. In Satya-yuga, the religious principles are observed in full, without deviation. In Tretā-yuga, however, these principles are somewhat neglected, and only three fourths of the religious duties continue. In Dvāpara-yuga only half of the religious principles continue, and in Kali-yuga only one fourth of the religious principles, which gradually disappear. At the end of Kali-yuga, the principles of religion, or the occupational duties of humanity, are almost lost. Indeed, in this Kali-yuga we have passed through only five thousand years, yet the decline of sanātana-dharma is very prominent. The duty of saintly persons, therefore, is to take up seriously the cause of sanātana-dharma and try to reestablish it for the benefit of the entire human society.
Matsya, the Lord’s Fish Incarnation
This sums up the topic...I may have forgotten to add a few things here and there..If you dig around or go deeper you'll reach the same results.