Is gelatine haraam?

okay...

its up to u if u wana believe it or not...

but one thing u jus said really annoys me...who do people say religion and science doesnt go together..they dont compare with each other...

our religion states so many things that science is jus about discovering now...if science doesnt collaborate with religion how does the qu'ran write about so many scientific things?

besides...God created science...science is just a study of what god created if you ask me. so the two DO go together.

this is why im referrin to the science of how protein denatures...and if you dont know that...then im afraid you will never understand my argument...if some1 who knows what im on about disproves me...mayb i'll think twice...LOL but i dont think they will be able to tell me that a denatured protein is the same as what is was before it got denatured lol if u get me :S

I know gelatine is haram (if it's from a haraam source) because it's common sense, anything derived from a haram source is therefore haram. If everything was written specifically in any religion, there'd be no such thing as atheism or misinterpretation. You can't get away from the fact that the gelatine is STILL from a haram source, please don't try to impress me with your denaturing bs, it is STILL from the same source.


Let me give you an example of cannabilism, if I take the body out of it's optimum temperature, hence denaturing all of its' enzymes, mash it into pieces, make it all into a lovely curry - nothing like the old thing, does that still mean it's cannabilism? course it is.



Muslims aren't vegetarians? really? wow. The reason we look for V because it's easier. quite frankly, to do so than look at all the long list of ingredients! And even then they sometimes don't give you all the details, one ingredient in there may have some animal rennet in, but they don't say that on the ingredients list. And in western shops, most don't bother to use halal meat, duh since it's not a muslim country we're in.

Halal gelatine - whether people want money or are just willing to do a decent thing, it's there for the taking.

Terrorism promotion is spreading false 'truth' What you're doing is spreading false 'truth', it's the same thing IN MY OPINION! You can eat pork if you want to wouldn't bother me in anyway I'd even provide you with some sauce, but you spreading this bs is dangerous, 'sistah', very dangerous.
It's because of people like you that there are always 'new testaments' coming out. Well, not for Islam, it's been kept the same for years, and it's not about to change now, because of some wannabe scientists.

hahah, I seriously cannot believe you are using an argument of Science to argue against a religious belief, when you claim you're a believer. They are not antagonistic, sure you'll get some things explained in Science, stuff that's coming out in science nowadays was written in the Qur'an from yonks ago. But
Maybe if you love Science so much, you'll agree that the your ancestor is playing the drums in the new Cadbury's advert.

I'll end by saying Assalamualaikum, peace be upon you, even though I didn't get a response last time, but then again I know that salafis think they're superior to the rest of us, and that even though the Qur'an tells us to say 'peace' even to disbelievers, and forbids arrogance, no-one is of the same worth as a salafi.

And just in case your pride still won't listen to me, read this:


Fatawa Mazahir ul Uloom vol.1 page 84-85 Fatawa Ibn Abidin [Shaami] vol.1 page
217-218
(Muslim Food Guide 3rd Edition 2000) :
in the Name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful


TABDEEL-E-MAHIYAT [CHANGE IN THE ORIGINAL PROPERTIES OF A SUBSTANCE]


Soaps undergo tremendous changes from its original substance, so all soaps will be permissible to use for Muslims. (this is where your theory is correct) :)

Tabdeel-e-Mahiyat is the total transformation of something whereby the original substance retains no properties of its former state and differs completely from it in application. One must understand that to include everything and anything under this analogy or cite modern food production techniques does not necessarily satisfy the condition of Tabdeel-e-Mahiyat. A classic example is Gelatine, a thickener used in food derived from skins, tendons, ligaments, bones, to produce a gelling agent. However some remnant of the original product still remains in the final packaged product making it impure and improper for use despite the great chemical changes it underwent. Hence this will not be considered Tabdeel-e-Mahiyat or Halaal.

if soaps can...animals can...durrr...listen lady...go and ask any scientist...or any1 else who know's anything beyond what their mother taught them...and u'll see im right...and the denaturing and how its not BS...and that cannabilism malarkey...urrr i fink u'll quite find that its jus ur brain tellin you...what your eating...but the actual stuf your eating once the proteins ahve been dentaured...are not the same...im not talkin cooking temperatures here woman...im talkin thousands of degrees ere....you won't be the same thing if i put u thru them temperatures would ya?

other than that...you believe what u believe...n i'll believe what i wana believe...your long essays are borin me..cos they're repetitve....

"Tabdeel-e-Mahiyat is the total transformation of something whereby the original substance retains no properties of its former state and differs completely from it in application. One must understand that to include everything and anything under this analogy or cite modern food production techniques does not necessarily satisfy the condition of Tabdeel-e-Mahiyat. A classic example is Gelatine, a thickener used in food derived from skins, tendons, ligaments, bones, to produce a gelling agent. However some remnant of the original product still remains in the final packaged product making it impure and improper for use despite the great chemical changes it underwent. Hence this will not be considered Tabdeel-e-Mahiyat or Halaal. "


in that case...dont eat white bread...it has traces ov alcohol in it which is produced by the yeast in the bread...and the high temperatures :)

have a nice time lookin for the "V" sign...LOL...see its not as simple as that is it? Lookin for the vegetarian sign...cos it doesnt always apply to muslims!!!

jeez...talk abt killin the topic.

btw..."sistah"...i dont see myself as superior to anyone....

and as for u...you reckon you have some kind of authority to suggest that im not a believer?

if you wana act bad, and say im not tellin the truth...dont call me a disbeliever...cos thats haraam in itself...what do you know abt me other than what im saying here?

and btw...what is it with you ppl ...our religion is based on scientific fact! most ov what our religion teaches us...can be proven by science.... so how is the fact that im using science to back up what i believe to be the truth be wrong?...u dont know what your talkin about...

and why are u talkin abt cadburys? and drum playing? i dont have a clue what your point is there...cos ive got better things to do than analyse ADVERTS!

sorry im lost i seen cadburys and im hungry plz sum1 let me know wahs going on:$

Also how do you know if a muslim killed the meat in the shop?:S a white guy can be muslim but ppl would not buy a pakistani guy could be any other religion then muslim and you will buy
Money talks alot(i say alot not all!!) of these shops think about money before anythink else!!
not puttin you off meat but its true:S


anyway lets all have some haribos halal and non halal i dnt care im hungry:D

i agree wit you babyleo...

how do u know meat is actualy halal...from what ive heard...the mass kill the animals whilst playin the watever it is they read to make it halal on a tape player...which would make much more economical sense...than killin each 1 individually the proper way....

we live in a money hungry world

sum ppl need to burst their lil bubble n realise we dnt live in a perfect world...lol

Wow I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the arrogance of ignorance out there. Firstly, please identify where I called you a disbeliever, I wouldn't call anyone a disbeliever because I know how the Prophet (saw) called it wrong... so I'm thikning that you can't read properly or yo're just simply intellectually challenged.

any1 who knows anything beyond what their mother taught them? bwahahaahhaah girl, you really think you're the only one here who's done science? girl don't flatter yourself. (I call you girl because your language doesn't make me think otherwise). OBVIOUSLY stuff changes, but it will always have some of the original in it ALWAYS, even if it's a tiny segment.. why don't you go and ask a scientist if that's true, because I know it it

Based on your theory.... people can eat humans or anything they want then? Right I'll tell the police that cannabilism is ok! you carry on, as I said eat what you want. It only becomes my business when you start spreading your trash to impressionable people in the ummah who think you're actually saying something viable.

Repetitive? I have valid points, everyone here knows I do, you on the other hand haven't provided one counter-attack against any of my points, thus proving that you're just chattin breeze with no substance to your argument at all.